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Quoting: Glog78I haven't said anything in a long time, but i am really "pissed" off what is currently happening. If i wanted a os which takes my hand and makes assumptions or decissions for me i would have stayed with windows or mac os ...

There is an override switch.

It's not making assumptions or decisions for you. It simply has a protection to prevent removing system critical packages by accident.

No one is taking anything away from you. apt is simply being made more newbie friendly. You can still break your system as much as you want.

More newbie friendly or for me another fucking option i need to remember and which because it should be newbie friendly won't be easy to find again (once in a blue moon when i am in charge of a debian based system) .... Specially ubuntu has been developed to a hell of a package management ...

You don't update snap -> oh the gui tool breaks because it tries to update snaps first. Oh after you got down and notice you need a new snap version you finally can now update the package ... synaptic using apt-get ... apt-get using apt .... which tool will give you now the option ? will they all be adapted or will because we are newbe friendly only that one hidden switch for apt (lowest level) be able to do what i want ? Also why did kde adapt something which clearly belongs into the hand of package management ? And does synaptic now do the same or whatever gui package manager you use ?

Perhaps you should refrain from posting again. Because this all sounds like ... well "unsubstantial ranting". First Snap. Since when do you update snaps by yourself? Granted you can, but by default they are updated autonomously and will never, ever conflict with your deb-packages (that's after all one of their selling points). Then you have synaptic (my favorite package manager) which does nothing else than provide a gui frontend for apt-*. And apt-get doesn't invoke apt, apt is just a "better apt-get". And yes it doesn't matter whether you use apt, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic or Gnome Software - they always use the same repos and they always install/uninstall or update the same packages.

Besides: Pretty much all distros nowadays prevent you from executing a sudo rm -fr / May I ask why? Legend has it that it was introduced because too many "elitist" found it oh so funny to troll newbies with this command...

no thats no unsubstantial ranting -> ... ubuntu 20.04 got into an update loop with the gui where basically they tried to update snaps and broke on a download error ... that prevented the apt part to update snap or in other words prevented the whole pc to update. fixed by an command line -> apt-get update / apt-get upgrade and after let the gui update the snaps

second ... the hplip driver which is need for the 179fwg which is currently needed from hp is broken. I guess for some python-dbus update (i was to lazy to figure it all out) changed to wlan setup instead of usb.

i won't try if a sudo rm -rf /* is catched on my distribution , cause i am 90% sure it isn't and i am to lazy to do so at least it works perfectly fine without a warning on subdirs ;)

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Quoting: Glog78The command line and everything outside of officially provided packages (including protontricks / proton-ge and many more tools) are not newbie friendly and shouldn't be adviced to newbies if we want to be really newbie friendly.

This has actually been one of my biggest arguing points when talking to other Linux people. Stop recommending the command line to new users. If someone is inexperienced, can we PLEASE find a way to do it in the gui for them?

Quoting: GuestI think we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. Which is fine.

On which part? That it was easy to bypass the pop shop? Or that he's familiar with tech?

If the latter, he has managed to drop virtually every hardware component in existence, if that counts...

They do exist, but noone test anymore suse or redhat and also we need to stop saying that everything runs. If you don't want to make your hands dirty , i can tell so many things which doesn't run out of the box in many typically gamer scenarios. But thats the same for windows. Ever tried to get some old games working on windows 10 or windows 11. The point is if a gamer gets their hand dirty with tools like dxwnd and the like on windows -> it's ok. If a user gets their hand dirty with the console it's not ok ? ... i have no answer besides the one i posted. Stop thinking of making the tools different , start thinking of giving the user a possibility to always get back to a working point.

I give an totally different scenario -> how many people at least once did a reset on their smartphone ? -> thats what we need (imho). Loosing the fear of breaking something in a way you can't recover. The tech is promised and out there since years -> btrfs / zfs ? copy on write and more. Let them get their hands dirty , let them do what they want to do but never let them run into a state when hours / days / weeks of work get lost. Or in other words finally implement modern backup methods into modern distributions (cloud saves for data if you want / snapshots for data / snapshots for systemprograms) .... and no flatpack / snap aren't a real answer in my eyes too and if it is only for the reason that their "security" features prevent them from easy use. A mac os or windows user don't understand containers and container based security and he don't want to understand why a program don't follow the theme he has set or why he needs a special driver version or or or ...

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Quoting: Glog78I haven't said anything in a long time, but i am really "pissed" off what is currently happening. If i wanted a os which takes my hand and makes assumptions or decissions for me i would have stayed with windows or mac os ...

There is an override switch.

It's not making assumptions or decisions for you. It simply has a protection to prevent removing system critical packages by accident.

No one is taking anything away from you. apt is simply being made more newbie friendly. You can still break your system as much as you want.

More newbie friendly or for me another fucking option i need to remember and which because it should be newbie friendly won't be easy to find again (once in a blue moon when i am in charge of a debian based system) .... Specially ubuntu has been developed to a hell of a package management ...

You don't update snap -> oh the gui tool breaks because it tries to update snaps first. Oh after you got down and notice you need a new snap version you finally can now update the package ... synaptic using apt-get ... apt-get using apt .... which tool will give you now the option ? will they all be adapted or will because we are newbe friendly only that one hidden switch for apt (lowest level) be able to do what i want ? Also why did kde adapt something which clearly belongs into the hand of package management ? And does synaptic now do the same or whatever gui package manager you use ?

And how about rpm or pacman or or or ... Sorry you can't explain or make it sound reasonable to me that those changes are thought throu or will transfer over ... it's just a reaction because someone who should have known better and even didn't follow his own rules cried very loud .... Sorry if it should be newbie friendly -> installing steam wasn't possible in Pop OS with the gui tool -> Pop OS is not newbie friendly -> test done.

Sorry to be that kind of guy but i find it very strange on the one hand to always complain that a normal user shouldn't go to the command line and on the other side complain if the command line breaks something....
The command line and everything outside of officially provided packages (including protontricks / proton-ge and many more tools) are not newbie friendly and shouldn't be adviced to newbies if we want to be really newbie friendly.

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I haven't said anything in a long time, but i am really "pissed" off what is currently happening. If i wanted a os which takes my hand and makes assumptions or decissions for me i would have stayed with windows or mac os ...
I choosed to not do so and i was aware that the learning curve wouldn't be easy. So it took time and love for the system to overcome what makes the system exactly not hand holding. Starting from distributions like suse -> damm yast does exactly what every beginner wants (configure your whole system) going down the road using mandrake / fedora / debian / gentoo and now arch ...
Now some people where able to break their system ... (aka format c: on windows ??? question -> did ever any microsoft engineer consider format c: to be insecure ???) and we are going to make it harder for everyone else ???
Lets be honest here , there are much better solutions out there which can cover a much wider group of mistakes which can be done by the user. In my eyes we should not stop user from doing incredible stupid things but rather enable them to always get to one step before they did something incredible stupid. Oh does this sound like snapshots to anyone else ? ....
Ok now i am quiet cause i know i will be called an elitist and someone who doesn't understand the problems of the users.
Sidenote: ubuntu did break with some packages the "official" hp driver on an lts version just in the last weeks. So much for stability and the idea of you can protect someone by don't allowing something ...

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Quoting: axredneckIs there any tool for creating "tracker" music, like OpenMPT but with sequencer-like interface and piano roll?

What do you mean?
There is no "tracker" music... i mean you can create any kind of music with trackers and sequencers, they are just tools.

Create .xm, .it, .vgm files with piano roll.
.mid files are small and i can create them with Muse but they sound differently on different devices.
.nsf files are small too and i can create them with FamiStudio but they sound too "simple".

https://milkytracker.titandemo.org/about/ [External Link] maybe this one help. Also -> https://github.com/milkytracker/MilkyTracker/commits/master [External Link] << someone seems still to maintain the codebase.

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In my humble oppinion game companies should be able to get sued in europe since their idea of giving you only a revocable licence doesn't hold up. And if this one doesn't hold up the 24 month waranty rule should apply. Btw. in my oppinion this should hold up for any game which did sell a fully functional linux port and removed their support without removing sales 24 month before they end support.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/guarantees-returns/index_en.htm#shortcut-1 [External Link]

But the question will be who is brave enough to at least contact people interested in makeing this happen.

"You always have the right to a minimum 2-year guarantee at no cost, regardless of whether you bought your goods online, in a shop or by mail order.
This 2-year guarantee is your minimum right, however national rules in your country may give you extra protection.
If goods you bought anywhere in the EU turn out to be faulty or do not look or work as advertised, the seller must repair or replace them free of charge or give you a price reduction or a full refund.
You can usually only ask for a partial or full refund when it is not possible to repair or replace the goods."

By this law basically games removing functionality (eg: online play) no matter how much you used this product should at least be refundable. I am really sad to say so but companies only understand money talking .... I wish it would be enough for them to stop such nonesense by the fact that they loose reputation on a customer level but it doesn't seems like ...

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Some Ideas "Make your Story" / "Choose your Story" ...

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I really feel reminded of the warnings people gave when we got steamplay / proton and while i want to believe that it all turns out for the better i am not sure. To be honest -> I am honestly very afraid of the current development and therefor i suggest a objective look (data) if my feeling is right:

a.) we have seen a real drop in 3rd party ports -> besides feral and ethan lee i can't remember any

b.) as for AA Games (higher founded indie games) -> we "lost" a good amount of supporting companies (paradox being just the one i remember right now but i know there are more)

c.) while in 2016 and in 2017 we had a good tendency of indie games released same day for windows / linux / mac i see less of them since around 2018 ...

I won't talk about a decline in support but i feel we had already a much better standing overall. Not to mention that epic isn't currently helping with their exclusive deals ... remember the day when borderlands pre sequel was very fast announced and ported to linux ? (Borderlands 3 -> not even any announcment)

I am totally aware that this is not because of steamplay alone, the lets say very vocal indie dev's thinking they get nothing in return by supporting linux are at least an other reason -> but it's troublesome to me.

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Hi Liam,

i did download both drivers and did a small md5sum ->

md5sum ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-418.52.18_*
5480d71d44b4ea6c2444e254d93fc051 ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-418.52.18_opengl.run
5480d71d44b4ea6c2444e254d93fc051 ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-418.52.18_vk.run

since the md5sum is equal i would say this are both the same driver (opengl & vk).

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I can totally understand why people are upset. But reacting upset doesn't help us. We should reach out a helping hand. What i don't get ->

a.) Why opengl and not vulkan ? Advantages:
-> shaders are in SPIR-V which should enable them to direct compile their dx shaders to SPIR-V (see https://www.khronos.org/spir/) [External Link]
-> that also invalidates the argument of the huge difference in quality of the opengl implementation cause the vulkan implementation on linux is highly tested on all gfx card vendors by dxvk.

b.) I think one part of the different distribution problem are we users. Steamruntime is ok but as long as we don't use it but use steam native , we run into more problems than we should. Sidenote the same is for solus and all the special fixes for different distributions. Our goal should be to make it that steam runtime really works on all distributions either by changing stuff inside of the distribution or by reporting to valve. One of the best examples i have is denuvo on proton. steam runtime + proton let me start DQ11 while steam native + proton doesn't.

c.) With the current situation of how linux is treated i decided for myself too to stay away from crowdfounding. @Liam i would like to see an article adressing the dev's how they burn trust and therefor cut themself from sales (how big these might be). Also i would like to add something very easy and which is a keypoint for me as a linux user being more upset than a windows user. I am as a linux user dedicated to fix problems even it takes time. If now a dev's explination sounds like he pressed a button to export the game and it doesn't run as expected and give up right after i feel like the dedication they promised in the kickstarter / fig whatever is missing. I expect them to at least give an excuse that they underestimated the work and ask for an explination why they underestimated their work. I don't want to hear for the xx times things which are "bs" cause they have been fixed already multiple hundreds times according to the games i can play on linux and are sitting in my steam library. And there we are again ... i am upset because of the way dev's currently argue for the "third class" treatment and yes i agree with the people saying that this dev is counting on proton cause hey much less work but is afraid to step up for it and say it out loud.

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