Couldn't care less. I lost all interest in CDPR and GOG after the TW3 and Galaxy linux releases were both silently dropped.
I'd rather buy (possibly) drm'd games from Steam and support Valve's efforts in revolutionizing the platform rather than pay a single cent to a company that treats me like a second class citizen even though I'm paying just as much as everyone else.

They literally redesigned Galaxy and still ignored Linux, thus I'll ignore them, at least until they fix their mess and start supporting us properly.

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Quoting: DorritGnome is designed by geeks to, well, geeks.
That's why so many extensions rapidly developed; to make it, well, normal. So that, well, normal people would be able to use it.
That's why so many Distros pick Xfce as their default DE like Manjaro, MX linux, Lite; because, well, it's a normal environment.
System 76 should have chosen an established Distro and tweak it here and there, instead of that washed down lollipop, so things would look, well, normal.

I really dig Manjaro's theming and overall desktop customizations on top of all of its spins, though imho the rest of your sentence merely invalidates the other half of it.
Are you honestly going to make this argument mentioning a couple of virtually dead and otherwise obscure distros nobody's really into?

System76 did indeed choose the most established linux distro there is to build up on.
I don't use Ubuntu and have been quite skeptical of anything coming out of Canonical for a long while now, but there's no denying it's by far the most iconic linux distro there is, even historically at this point.

Gnome is plagued by highly controversial and opinionated workflows its devs consistently enforce on their users without ever considering user feedback or even providing any sort of out of the box configuration for, but it also shines in a lot of aspects.

Unless you happen to be one of the 4 persons that love vanilla Gnome then you're pretty much going to need to rely on third party extensions, themes and Tweaks before you can get a desktop that matches your preferences and complements your workflows, but at the very least you'll have a great experience in the end... until the next Gnome update anyway...

The real issue with Gnome is how they break almost every single extension on every freaking release so you can't ever relax and enjoy your finished setup for long. At best you'll be stuck without a few convenient extensions for a number of weeks, but more often than not you'll be losing an essential extension forever due to its dev being unable to maintain it any longer. Even if somebody else decides to fork and update it you'll still have to find out about it, manually look it up and reinstall, trusting yet another unaffiliated random person online for stuff you use locally on your personal computer.

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Quoting: TheRiddickAlso had a issue with firefox not being accessible while a fullscreen app/game was open and minimized. But I think there is a Xwayland specific flag you can launch firefox with to work around that. Still, lots of annoying issues still (on top of already X11 feature limits).

Why are you running Firefox through XWayland in the first place? Native Wayland support is pretty damn solid by now.

Perhaps you meant you're facing this issue using the native backend, thus resort to using XWayland with a related flag to work around the bug?

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Quoting: mrdeathjrThis only applies in specific cases like lastest kernel hardware support case intel or amd gpus for example

For most users lts is enough for gaming (included proton)

:smile:

I'm not suggesting it's not doable, I'm just saying it's pointless and causes way more trouble and performance issues (though mostly lack of support for latest features) than a non-LTS branch ever would for a desktop use case.

Quoting: KimyrielleThat makes no sense at all. Steam will update Proton automatically and your graphics driver will update when the system does (in case of NVidia you have to add the correct launchpad PPA to your repositories, but that's all). Both of that happens whether you're using LTS or not.

Which means that depending on your distro you mind have to resort to using third party repositories or mix and matching branches which is always prone to dep collisions.
Remember, my original comment was not Ubuntu-specific, but even in that case you're still shooting yourself in the foot over nothing.

It wasn't until fairly recently that DXVK finally stabilized and stopped requiring bleeding edge drivers so as to support new features, but DXVK is not the latest tool in the shed anymore and it's far from the only one benefiting from not being stuck with an outdated system.
I'm not rooting for bleeding edge distros here, this is strictly about sta(b)le branches (LTS) vs latest releases.

It might end up being sort of ok if you're on Nvidia and have an official repository for nvidia-drivers (or your package manager supports seamlessly installing packages from different branches with little trouble) since you won't ever need to update the rest of the stack, but if you're on AMD you'll want to stick to the latest mesa which is definitely not going to play nice with older packages on an LTS branch.

Quoting: no_information_hereNo.

I have no idea how you came to this wrong conclusion, but you can easily correct your information.

Oh no, a random comment suggesting my null point should be revised without even considering the implications, how will I ever recover?

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Gaming on an LTS release or a stable branch is like shooting yourself in the foot.

Unless you're on really old hardware that doesn't support Proton (or other modern tools) and barely gets any gpu related updates anyway.

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Quoting: BasianiYou are using very bad words against me. It's internet man, so shame to say bad words against them who you never will be see.

Just be quiet, don't say somenthing like that You're pulling way too many random numbers out of your ass for
ASS

I just say I don't care what you care RTX, DLSS or nothing, I'm saying that paying same as Windows users and got maximum 30% than they is the action of a weak-minded person.

While I do realize I might have slightly crossed the limit there, I still firmly believe it's justifiable, said phrase is barely all that offensive unless you're 7 or so...

You're still coming up with random performance percentages and that's just irritating since you've clearly never used Proton or even checked out side by side comparisons of it running DX12 games on Linux vs native.

I won't bother arguing with you over this and I'm sincerely sorry if I offended you above. Have a pleasant day.

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Quoting: BasianiProton, Steam Play?! GG :D
Pay $60 and you will got $10 product because no RTX, no DLSS, no perfect performance, Proton just runs that game with low FPS and also no one knows how many times that low FPS goes to 0 when game will be updated.
Damn! Absofuckinlutely smart marketing from CD Project.
I'm not dumb to buy that sh*t. Yes, sh*t, because you are paying same as Windows users and getting maximum 25% quality compared Windows users.

You're pulling way too many random numbers out of your ass for something that can't even be benchmarked right now.

Care to elaborate on how you came up with these? Otherwise please shove them back where they came from and wait for the release.

It's almost as if Proton has been working almost perfectly performance-wise for mostly everything that isn't blocked due to anti-cheat.

On a side note, this probably means Cyberpunk (Windows) won't be coming out with a Vulkan renderer either even though it's already working with it on Stadia... What a huge shame.

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I swear, reading "Linux PC" in these titles is cringier than publishers mixing up Windows and PC when it comes to listing supported platforms.
We're obviously talking about standardized x86 desktop distros of Linux.
It's not as if any proprietary games are being released for other architectures or exotic software setups anyway.
Since when did this actually become a thing.

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Quoting: liamdaweInterestingly, we also now know why Valve are making their own stand-alone version of Dota Auto Chess. During E3 at the PC Gaming Show, the original creator of the popular Dota 2 game mode revealed that his own stand-alone desktop game is going to be an Epic Store exclusive.

That's hardly the reason why they're making a stand-alone version of Auto Chess.
While they were busy releasing Artifact and having it end up as an utter failure of a non-free2play game with extremely greedy monetization, Auto Chess was one of the most successful games available on their platform and they somehow managed to let that one too get snatched by Epic.

If they ever hoped for Artifact to maintain a sizeable play base with that pricing they should have at the very least released the mobile client along with the desktop one.
Then it took them too long to start focusing on Auto Chess and they're still far from releasing their own version of it, with only a hideous dev gameplay vid recorded on a toaster.

Epic is not the only one releasing a competitor (well barely so, since the original dev is working on it). Tencent is also releasing a League of Legends spinoff and it seems like both of these versions are going to be out way before Valve's own standalone client.

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Quoting: massatt212Yes another useless port that we can play on Proton cause even the creator of DXVK is optimizing it on almost every dxvk update he does
i rather a fighting games like tekken or dragon ball fighterz or even soul calibur 6
mmorpg like world of warcraft, Destiny 2, if blizzard allows them the chance
you know something with long valuse even pugb, fortnite hey FIFA 19

First things first, silencing error messages and implementing exceptions that otherwise don't impact performance/playability at all can by no means be considered game-specific optimizations.

Then you're on suggesting ports from a selection of games with some of them either being officially whitelisted SteamPlay titles or completely playable under Proton, yet you simply won't fathom how Feral chooses to port the third installment of a well-liked previously ported ip from a publisher they've worked with before, just cause it already works fairly decently under Proton.
This is simply ridiculous just by itself.

While Fortnite, PUBG and games from Blizzard/Bethesda/EA is the sort of boost we need for linux gaming to take off (regardless of how I personally feel about some of them), you have to bear in mind that in order for Feral to actually port a game, the original publisher has to be willing to let them port it (and maybe even publish it, I'm unaware of any feral ports not published directly by them, though they might obviously make an exception for huge titles like these).
Getting a linux build to run is one thing. Providing support for it is another and that's where most of the trouble regarding big publishers refusing to support us derives from.
Blizzard is not going to release a crappy build of their games, let alone let somebody else do it, and risk staining their entire image across platforms and they most certainly won't release anything if support/maintenance costs outweigh any insignificant gains they might otherwise have had from linux customers.
Besides, you're already playing their game on your mobile, Wine or Windows partition, so why should they bother?

I too think it's somewhat of a wasted effort and resources to some extent, however I'm still getting the game after the native release just so as to support them.
Of course they can't base their entire market strategy around tryhards choosing to support them, but for all we know they could have already had a signed contract with Square Enix for this way before DXVK's latest releases were a thing.

Quoting: massatt212I play fighting games mmorpg and sports games i know its not all about what i want, and its not about what you want, its what we all want and they should Hold port votes
Cause if i see another warhammer port from FERAL im gonna go crazy

As much as I regret seeing all of their almost identical monthly TW and racing port releases, I'm fairly sure the people over Feral have a greater grasp regarding what sort of port is going to be profitable (or even plaussible due to original publishers) for them than you and I have.
I also despise Fighting and Sports games, though I wouldn't cringe as much at such a port announcement merely cause we don't get another one of these every second month or so.

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