How do the Rockstar games work on this version of Wine? @mrdeathjr do you have by any chance Max Payne 3, GTA IV, GTA V and L.A. Noire to test?

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Quoting: Stupendous Manhaving to be cruel and evil can be off-putting as well.

That's the main problem I have while trying to love Tyranny...

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Quoting: valczirI'm still debating in my head whether or not I liked Tyranny better than Pillars. Either way, those two games are my favorites in nearly a decade. I'd definitely agree that Pillars had its issues, but every single game on the planet does - one's favorite games are always just games that have issues one can stomach.

I'm really excited for Pillars II. I'm hoping for some of Tyranny's features to seep into it.

I finished Pillars of Eternity + White March part I and II in 192 hours according to Steam. In Tyranny I have 9.5 hours so far and I can't start enjoying it. I don't know why to be honest, but I love PoE, but Tyranny? Not so much...

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@MayeulC @dubigrasu
Long story short it doesn't work, while it should.

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Quoting: dubigrasuBut when I feel like gaming, then I just fire in a couple of seconds my SteamOS, get the SteamController in hands and here I go. This is where SteamOS perfectly fits.

I already forgot, but this sentence is one of the reasons I didn't decide to buy Alienware Steam Machine.

Currently with PS4, I sit on the couch, take Dualshock that was laying on the couch, press button on the gamepad and console is waking up.

With Steam Machine / PC with SteamOS on it the order is different: You need to go to the machine, press power button and then go to the couch and wake up the controller.

For me kind of bummer.

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Quoting: GrazenI've been buying more and more games in the Windows store already, because of PlayAnywhere. I have an Xbox One X so for some (but not all games... yet) like Mordor Shadow of War or Cuphead buying them through the Microsoft store allows me to play them on both PC and Xbox. It's starting and Valve needs to get their heads out of the sand.

Quoting: GrazenNot sure I understand? I have every system (yes, every). If the game is available on Linux, I buy it on Steam so that I can play it across PC platforms. If the game is PS4 or Switch exclusive, I'll buy it for that platform. If the game is Xbox / Windows I'll buy it on the Microsoft store and play it across PC and console. I don't think any Xbox One PlayAnywhere games are even out for Mac / Linux - so I don't get your point. As for PS4, that's probably the worst and most proprietary platform (well that and Switch) - forcing you to repurchase games games via a streaming service is anti-consumer.

My point was:
You're claiming that "Valve has to get their heads out of the sand" because of Microsoft PlayAnywhere, that allows you to pay once and play games on both - PC and Xbox One X.
My reaction to this sentence is - Steam offers more - you pay once and you can play your games on multiple OS - Linux, Mac, Windows. If most important thing for you is that you can play your games on PC and on console - Steam allows it as well - you can play on your PC and on your console (Where a console is a PC/Steam Machine with SteamOS installed on it).

Honestly I don't know which point you didn't get - I don't want to be offensive, I just wonder what part is unclear.

Maybe what you want to highlight is that Microsoft has exclusives (with PlayAnywhere you mention), Sony has exclusives (on PS4), Nintendo has exclusives (on Switch/WiiU) but Valve doesn't have any exclusives, while they should have.
If so I misunderstood your sentence.

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Quoting: GrazenI've been buying more and more games in the Windows store already, because of PlayAnywhere. I have an Xbox One X so for some (but not all games... yet) like Mordor Shadow of War or Cuphead buying them through the Microsoft store allows me to play them on both PC and Xbox. It's starting and Valve needs to get their heads out of the sand.

I understand your attitude. It sounds nice. But I will add something to this discussion:
I buy games on Steam (or digital versions in local shops if they have better price, never through resellers) using my personal Linux machine. I play them on my personal machine. At work I used to have Windows machine. I was able to play games on that machine. Now at work I have Mac. I am still able to play those games. You need console like experience? You buy small case PC and install SteamOS (or buy Steam Machine) and you don't have to buy those games again. They just work.

What I'm saying is Valve targets more platforms than Microsoft. Microsoft started to promote their console + PC approach some time ago, and that's cool for MS users.

The other topic is number of AAA titles, quality of the ports on Linux and the quality of "console like experience" - they are not yet there, that's why 2,5 years ago I bought PS4...

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Quoting: dubigrasuI think many of you are disappointed in SteamOS status because you are actually disappointed by the Steam Machines.
But remember that the purpose of the SteamOS in itself (as a distro) is only to run the Steam Client, which it does fine. Other than a newer Mesa for AMD users (and maybe more frequent updates) there's not much you can ask from it. It already does its job.

If so, then I guess I am either disappointed with the idea of Steam OS, or with the functionality of Steam Client.
For me Steam OS has to offer native Netflix client and native Spotify client. HBO Go would be nice as well. I believe a lot of users want to have native support for stream services like Twitch. All this should be available from OS UI, without a need to use desktop mode (spotify) or browser (Netflix, Twitch).

For now Steam OS is not a console like OS. It is just an OS with Steam preinstalled and launched OOTB. Users other than Linux lovers shouldn't use desktop mode of Steam OS at all. Everything should be available from Big Picture mode.

P.S. Native support for streaming services and Netflix / HBO Go is something that in my opinion killed Ataribox. During advertising guys from Atari said they will provide support for native apps, and then they realized, that there are no such apps and probably those companies are not eager to create native Linux apps for Atari.

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What are your hopes for SteamOS/Steam Machines in 2018?

I hope Steam Machines will get released, because for me they are still in Alpha, even if Valve said something different.

I said it multiple times, but without interesting bundles in each market, Steam Machines won't interest single person. Why would someone buy Alienware Steam Machine with Payday 2 for $400 (or $749 :D) if there is a cheaper PS4 with any newest title in the store?

Valve did very bad with Steam Machines:
- they did not produce hardware,
- they allowed manufacturers to decide not to ship machines they promised,
- they did multiple false advertising for Steam OS (Witcher 3, Street Fighter V, Evolve),
- they did no advertising of Steam Machines,
- they released only overpriced machines,
- they decided not to invest money in Steam Machines, because Microsoft seems to abandon idea of forcing their store for each game supporting their platform,
- they did not prepare library of decent newest games for the release day.

Conclusion - Steam Machines have no target other than us - people supporting Linux gaming, because they want their favourite OS to grow...

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Company of Heroes 2 - a game I bought for 25 euro, just to support Feral.
I just took a screen from Steam :D.

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