Quoting: tuubiMy biggest gripe with the graphics is the lack of functioning AA. The game (and ATS too) lets me pick SMAA, but the setting has no effect that I can see. And no matter how much I bump the internal resolution, there's aliasing and moiré effects all over the place.

Despite all this, I love these truck sims to bits. Perfect games to relax with.

These games are notorious for aliasing problems, even on Windows. My solution used to be running the game at 400% scale, at last AMD cards, didn't get a big performance penalty. But since about 1.33 that was not a option anymore, with big performance loss.

The last updates on ATS (1.36) got the SMAA functioning more or less properly, so a combination of 200% scaling and SMAA on high is giving good results to me (on a RX570) so far.

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Quoting: The_AquabatToo bad that the game still runs on OpenGL they updated the windows version to DirectX 11 but no Vulkan update.

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Quoting: The_AquabatToo bad that the game still runs on OpenGL they updated the windows version to DirectX 11 but no Vulkan update.

It's a shame that devs choose DX11 as API instead Vulkan. I can't understand that being a multiplatform game (Linux, Windows and Mac) they do this. I'm certainly worried that they have made this decision concerning Linux support.

While they didn't say anything about upping the OpenGL version, is very clear to me that something is changing on the Linux version, on ATS, that got the 1.36 update. Performance definitively got a uplift. Is not Vulkan, but they did not forgot Linux, that is for sure.

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Maybe a Nvidia driver issue? I and the two AMD guys above do not have this problem, but the Nvidia ones do?

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So Liam, can we expect you will try that controller to see if it works on your Linux machine?

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My problem with this game, apart from they taking forever to finish it, is that they had put the gamepad support as a afterthought. The button layout is bad and that mouse sight is really distracting, since the option to hide it is not working. Is a mouse/keyboard game first with gamepad as a option.

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Quoting: DesumYou'd think any controller that supports standard D-Input or X-Input would 'just werk'. Is there even a place that lists gamepad compatibility? I've been eyeing some more Retro-bit controllers after being happy with the official Genesis pad they did.

The problems is not the controllers per se, but the way games implement gamepad support. Most do it the right way, using SDL2. But some developers are stubborn and try to do it themselves, which generally didn't end well, with white-lists that narrow things down to what the developer have at hand. That's when you have a problem.

So far, if you really cannot be bothered with teaks, the XB360 Controller is the champion, with the Logitech ones just a nose behind. But since the former is not produced anymore and the latter is not something I can recommend with a strait face, grab a Xbone S controller or a DS4. Both have excellent ergonomics and proven reliability. The small list of games that wont work with them always can be made to work one way or another.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: M@GOidAs of the F710, it was given to me by a friend, who bought it when it was advertised on the Big Picture launch. He hated it. All our friends who tested it also disliked it, being costumed to the PS and XB controllers. I have put less than 50 hours on it, and the black rubber paint of the bottom started to came out. The Dpad is loose, so are the analog sticks. The triggers are much harder and 10mm (.39in) further from the analogs compared to the others. The shape is very uncomfortable compared to others. It is the noisiest of the 5 controllers I have (One, 360, DS4, Steam Controller). The only plus side of it, for me at last, is that the 4 face buttons have a sharp, positive action. In the end I cannot recommend it with so many better alternatives out there.

All of these properties, except for the rubber paint, the F710 shares with the F310. I wouldn't have said I liked the ergonomics if I found the shape uncomfortable, or the triggers too stiff, or the thumbsticks too loose.

I know the F710 is not likely to be the objectively best controller out there, and I acknowledge your warning about the noise (which is likely to be very similar to the F310), but things like trigger and stick stiffness as well as size are surely a matter of preference. Also, I wouldn't even consider something that requires Steam to function properly, so that's narrows the field a bit.

Very much a personal preference thing. I've no trouble with the F710, and actually have two of them. Just need to keep the dongles apart or there's some near-field trouble.

For me, I always preferred the layout style of F310/F710, and I've had no quality troubles. I'm also not a heavy gamer, so they might not suffer the same wear & tear from me.

I keep a rotating stock of rechargeable batteries, and they last quite well. Not much warning when they're about to run out, that's true enough, but then a good battery only changes voltage properties very close to that point anyway, and I don't like built-in batteries personally (not for things like a mouse, keyboard, gamepad).

Mostly though I'm just happy that there's choice: there's no one controller to rule them all, so a range for different preferences is good. So I can't say the F710 is amazing, and can't say it's bad. It fits for me, and....that's about it.

Its compatibility with games is very good, the only one on par with the XB360 Controller. What I really miss on it is a micro-USB connector, for when the batteries run out and you are in a hurry.

Also agree that there is not a controller to rule them all. In the PC platform we have the blessing of choosing whatever we want. I personally keep the Steam Controller for games where precise camera control is important, like FPS and 3rd PS, and a DS4 for twin stick shooters and the ones where a right analog fits better than a mouse emulator.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: M@GOidAs of the F710, it was given to me by a friend, who bought it when it was advertised on the Big Picture launch. He hated it. All our friends who tested it also disliked it, being costumed to the PS and XB controllers. I have put less than 50 hours on it, and the black rubber paint of the bottom started to came out. The Dpad is loose, so are the analog sticks. The triggers are much harder and 10mm (.39in) further from the analogs compared to the others. The shape is very uncomfortable compared to others. It is the noisiest of the 5 controllers I have (One, 360, DS4, Steam Controller). The only plus side of it, for me at last, is that the 4 face buttons have a sharp, positive action. In the end I cannot recommend it with so many better alternatives out there.

All of these properties, except for the rubber paint, the F710 shares with the F310. I wouldn't have said I liked the ergonomics if I found the shape uncomfortable, or the triggers too stiff, or the thumbsticks too loose.

I know the F710 is not likely to be the objectively best controller out there, and I acknowledge your warning about the noise (which is likely to be very similar to the F310), but things like trigger and stick stiffness as well as size are surely a matter of preference. Also, I wouldn't even consider something that requires Steam to function properly, so that's narrows the field a bit.

Since you prefer the symmetrical analog stick layout, give the DS4 a shot if you can. The number of games that didn't work with it is very small and can even not be in your collection. Also, that program that allows the Steam Controller to work outside Steam also support it, so you have a alternative if you didn't want to depend on Steam.

It is a great controller, and it can make you see that there are better alternatives to the Logitech ones.

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Quoting: M@GOidAlso keep in mind that both Xbone and DS4 are not as compatible with games as the Xb360 and the Logitech joypads. Here and there you might have to use the Steam Input to make some games recognize them.

This is true for the DS4, but not for the XB1, it actually gets recognized as a XB360 controller in older games. I have yet to come across a game that works with other controllers but doensn't with a XB1.

Unless this is something that changed in recent months, I stand by my remark. Of the hundreds of games I have, about 3 or 4 did not recognize it. Those are mostly indie games where the developer didn't bother with a SDL2 implementation, and choose to do a white list of supported controllers.

Off the top of my head, I remember La Mulana (I believe it doesn't even on Windows!) and the worst offender, Grow Home, that not even recognizes the XB360 controller...

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: M@GOidIf you find its ergonomics good, I urge you to test something else, like the DS4 or the Xbone S. They offer a much quieter experience, and spare parts are easy to find.

I really don't like the asymmetric thumbstick layout in the Xbox controllers, nor the small, loose triggers in the Dualshocks. And I've dealt with the noise thus far. Or is the F710 noisier than the F310?

I'll give it some thought in any case. Maybe borrow a couple of different controllers from friends for a while to see if I could get used to them. Less noisy buttons would be nice of course.

Don't know if you are referring to the DS4, but I find the triggers a big improvement from the earlier models. The format is now concave (like a real gun), retaining better your finger, and they have a light and long course, making them now especially good on racing games.

Overall I find the DS4 a ruge improvement from the DS3, which I don't like at all.

Also keep in mind that both Xbone and DS4 are not as compatible with games as the Xb360 and the Logitech joypads. Here and there you might have to use the Steam Input to make some games recognize them.

As of the F710, it was given to me by a friend, who bought it when it was advertised on the Big Picture launch. He hated it. All our friends who tested it also disliked it, being costumed to the PS and XB controllers. I have put less than 50 hours on it, and the black rubber paint of the bottom started to came out. The Dpad is loose, so are the analog sticks. The triggers are much harder and 10mm (.39in) further from the analogs compared to the others. The shape is very uncomfortable compared to others. It is the noisiest of the 5 controllers I have (One, 360, DS4, Steam Controller). The only plus side of it, for me at last, is that the 4 face buttons have a sharp, positive action. In the end I cannot recommend it with so many better alternatives out there.

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