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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: M@GOidAs of the F710, it was given to me by a friend, who bought it when it was advertised on the Big Picture launch. He hated it. All our friends who tested it also disliked it, being costumed to the PS and XB controllers. I have put less than 50 hours on it, and the black rubber paint of the bottom started to came out. The Dpad is loose, so are the analog sticks. The triggers are much harder and 10mm (.39in) further from the analogs compared to the others. The shape is very uncomfortable compared to others. It is the noisiest of the 5 controllers I have (One, 360, DS4, Steam Controller). The only plus side of it, for me at last, is that the 4 face buttons have a sharp, positive action. In the end I cannot recommend it with so many better alternatives out there.

All of these properties, except for the rubber paint, the F710 shares with the F310. I wouldn't have said I liked the ergonomics if I found the shape uncomfortable, or the triggers too stiff, or the thumbsticks too loose.

I know the F710 is not likely to be the objectively best controller out there, and I acknowledge your warning about the noise (which is likely to be very similar to the F310), but things like trigger and stick stiffness as well as size are surely a matter of preference. Also, I wouldn't even consider something that requires Steam to function properly, so that's narrows the field a bit.

Very much a personal preference thing. I've no trouble with the F710, and actually have two of them. Just need to keep the dongles apart or there's some near-field trouble.

For me, I always preferred the layout style of F310/F710, and I've had no quality troubles. I'm also not a heavy gamer, so they might not suffer the same wear & tear from me.

I keep a rotating stock of rechargeable batteries, and they last quite well. Not much warning when they're about to run out, that's true enough, but then a good battery only changes voltage properties very close to that point anyway, and I don't like built-in batteries personally (not for things like a mouse, keyboard, gamepad).

Mostly though I'm just happy that there's choice: there's no one controller to rule them all, so a range for different preferences is good. So I can't say the F710 is amazing, and can't say it's bad. It fits for me, and....that's about it.

Its compatibility with games is very good, the only one on par with the XB360 Controller. What I really miss on it is a micro-USB connector, for when the batteries run out and you are in a hurry.

Also agree that there is not a controller to rule them all. In the PC platform we have the blessing of choosing whatever we want. I personally keep the Steam Controller for games where precise camera control is important, like FPS and 3rd PS, and a DS4 for twin stick shooters and the ones where a right analog fits better than a mouse emulator.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: M@GOidAs of the F710, it was given to me by a friend, who bought it when it was advertised on the Big Picture launch. He hated it. All our friends who tested it also disliked it, being costumed to the PS and XB controllers. I have put less than 50 hours on it, and the black rubber paint of the bottom started to came out. The Dpad is loose, so are the analog sticks. The triggers are much harder and 10mm (.39in) further from the analogs compared to the others. The shape is very uncomfortable compared to others. It is the noisiest of the 5 controllers I have (One, 360, DS4, Steam Controller). The only plus side of it, for me at last, is that the 4 face buttons have a sharp, positive action. In the end I cannot recommend it with so many better alternatives out there.

All of these properties, except for the rubber paint, the F710 shares with the F310. I wouldn't have said I liked the ergonomics if I found the shape uncomfortable, or the triggers too stiff, or the thumbsticks too loose.

I know the F710 is not likely to be the objectively best controller out there, and I acknowledge your warning about the noise (which is likely to be very similar to the F310), but things like trigger and stick stiffness as well as size are surely a matter of preference. Also, I wouldn't even consider something that requires Steam to function properly, so that's narrows the field a bit.

Since you prefer the symmetrical analog stick layout, give the DS4 a shot if you can. The number of games that didn't work with it is very small and can even not be in your collection. Also, that program that allows the Steam Controller to work outside Steam also support it, so you have a alternative if you didn't want to depend on Steam.

It is a great controller, and it can make you see that there are better alternatives to the Logitech ones.

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Quoting: M@GOidAlso keep in mind that both Xbone and DS4 are not as compatible with games as the Xb360 and the Logitech joypads. Here and there you might have to use the Steam Input to make some games recognize them.

This is true for the DS4, but not for the XB1, it actually gets recognized as a XB360 controller in older games. I have yet to come across a game that works with other controllers but doensn't with a XB1.

Unless this is something that changed in recent months, I stand by my remark. Of the hundreds of games I have, about 3 or 4 did not recognize it. Those are mostly indie games where the developer didn't bother with a SDL2 implementation, and choose to do a white list of supported controllers.

Off the top of my head, I remember La Mulana (I believe it doesn't even on Windows!) and the worst offender, Grow Home, that not even recognizes the XB360 controller...

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: M@GOidIf you find its ergonomics good, I urge you to test something else, like the DS4 or the Xbone S. They offer a much quieter experience, and spare parts are easy to find.

I really don't like the asymmetric thumbstick layout in the Xbox controllers, nor the small, loose triggers in the Dualshocks. And I've dealt with the noise thus far. Or is the F710 noisier than the F310?

I'll give it some thought in any case. Maybe borrow a couple of different controllers from friends for a while to see if I could get used to them. Less noisy buttons would be nice of course.

Don't know if you are referring to the DS4, but I find the triggers a big improvement from the earlier models. The format is now concave (like a real gun), retaining better your finger, and they have a light and long course, making them now especially good on racing games.

Overall I find the DS4 a ruge improvement from the DS3, which I don't like at all.

Also keep in mind that both Xbone and DS4 are not as compatible with games as the Xb360 and the Logitech joypads. Here and there you might have to use the Steam Input to make some games recognize them.

As of the F710, it was given to me by a friend, who bought it when it was advertised on the Big Picture launch. He hated it. All our friends who tested it also disliked it, being costumed to the PS and XB controllers. I have put less than 50 hours on it, and the black rubber paint of the bottom started to came out. The Dpad is loose, so are the analog sticks. The triggers are much harder and 10mm (.39in) further from the analogs compared to the others. The shape is very uncomfortable compared to others. It is the noisiest of the 5 controllers I have (One, 360, DS4, Steam Controller). The only plus side of it, for me at last, is that the 4 face buttons have a sharp, positive action. In the end I cannot recommend it with so many better alternatives out there.

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Quoting: tuubiI've been happy with the ergonomics of my F310, triggers and all, but the cable is a nuisance. The build quality isn't anything to write home about either. I'm on my second controller right now. I fixed the previous one multiple times, but this one started breaking apart in exactly the same way quite soon after purchase. The left thumbstick button (the one that triggers when you push down on the stick) is pretty much unusable already.

My next controller will probably be an F710 though. It's only about 15 € more than the F310 these days and I won't have to get used to a new layout. It comes with two AA batteries, but I've got AA rechargeables to replace them with. Battery life should be great according to reviews. The build quality should be better as well, but I guess I'll find out.

Run away. Run fast, run far.

The quality is bad, it is noisy as hell, and it is the only controller in my collection that do not possess a USB plug, for when your batteries die and you need to be back at the game fast.

If you find its ergonomics good, I urge you to test something else, like the DS4 or the Xbone S. They offer a much quieter experience, and spare parts are easy to find.

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Quoting: GuestCute graphics. I’d buy it if it wasn’t for this: "The danger of the adventure is emphasized by the possibility of saving only in certain places". Replaying the same segment again and again is not something I enjoy. Dead Cells did it right: you can stop playing anywhere and restart from there.

Me too. Definitely not a fan to replay large segments of a stage just to die and have to do it again. This is not a thing from the 8 bit era that I have good memories of.

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Quoting: massatt212im using Valve ACO Mesa Driver
And the beta client is really Laggy, am i the only one getting this issue

it's laggy for me as well and sometimes it refuses to refresh at all. the input still works fine, weirdly enough, but the display is frozen until i minimise/maximise the window, in which case it would refresh it but only for 1 frame as it freezes again.
So far I haven't found a reliable/consistent workaround to get rid of this problem.

Beta client is really slow for me too and I have nvidia card. But more serious problem is memory leak that occurs when I open certain game's library page. For example, opening Oxygen Not Included page eats all my 8 GB of RAM + 2 GB of swap file in a matter of seconds. This happens only on certain pages, not all of them. Really strange.

I have this problem too, and I'm on a AMD card. Terrible memory leak. At last the stable branch (non beta) is okay for now.

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It is my impression, or people complaining about performance on the native version are using Nvidia, while others saying its fine are on AMD?

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Looks like it is from a Brazilian developer. "Areia" means "sand" in Portuguese.

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Quoting: JolltAlso the amazing filezise. 88mb for the full game? Damm.

88 megabytes? Those guys do not think of us folks still using floppy disks? Not everyone can afford CD-ROMs man.

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