Quoting: GuestI like the steam hw survery screen at 2:39 in the video showing on deck: "No touch input detected"

Yeah, I had my survey on it last night and noticed that too. Rather amusing.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: damarrinYou realise it’s 5% of 1%, which means 0.05% of all users?

Wake me up when we're at 100% of the 1% 🤣

Won't ever happen as I'll still play stuff on my Debian and/or Garuda setup :P

I may even throw in a RHEL gaming session now and then, just to muck it up!

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Quoting: TheRiddickI kind of wish they just added in a separate copper PIN alignment on the bottom of the deck to support a drop in compatibility instead of using a cable.

It can be done btw without getting in the way of anything since its just extremely low profile copper contacts the dock could have pushup pins into.

So my assessment of why it is on the top instead of the bottom.... the Dreamcast.

I will explain. All of the controllers out there that are wired have been out the top, or away from the user. This is a pretty standard thing, and for great reason, as it gives you an automatic few inches more of cable, and doesn't always feel like it's in the way. The Dreamcast, because of their weird little VMUs, and because they put them at the top of the controller instead of the bottom, like how save game blocks were on the N64... the cable then comes out of the bottom, and constantly is dangling in the way.

Steam Deck is mostly going to be played either in your hands on battery, or in your hands with the cable plugged in. The Dock is kind of more of an after thought, as most people indeed would be playing games on their desktop computer, rather than the Steam Deck. Unless they specifically want it on the go, or laying in bed. The Switch has the port on the bottom because it really is a better console when it's docked (more power added). The optimum usage for the Deck is at 1280x800. It really doesn't get more power by being docked, it simply starts requiring more, even at 1920x1080.

So there actually is a lot of logic into why the USB-C port is on the top.

Though it sounds to me like you're thinking more like something like the iPad's use? Where there are connections for the keyboard and such? That'd work, but then you wouldn't be able to just pick up any old USB-C dock to use.

Maybe Deck 2 will have wireless HDMI pass through or some tech to allow latency free, but wireless display to a large TV?

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Quoting: slavezeo

Quoting: slaapliedjeEdit: This reminds me, I should bench the Atari VCS vs the Steam Deck.

Install holoiso on your Atari VCS :)

Was considering it. Still haven't gotten around to disabling Secure Boot, and I am guessing holoiso does not support it.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeSo if No Man's Sky is verified... anyone try hooking up the Index to the Deck to see if they can play that in VR?

Absolutely no way, I mean, the hardware will no doubt "let" you (the index works just fine on linux), but the graphics card in the deck can't handle rendering at 2880x3200/144hz, you could maybe do some extremely low res rendering w/ fsr and everything turned to low but it would be a vomit inducing experience. The deck is an awesome little machine but VR requires a bit of a powerhouse since it has to render per eye at a high frame rate.

Ha, yeah I KNOW all of this. Have had the Index since it released, and have upgraded hardware specifically to use it... Just thought it'd be amusing to see someone try it on the Deck and see how it ran. I'd be legit shocked it if ran anywhere near playable. Especially something as hefty as NMS.

Edit: This reminds me, I should bench the Atari VCS vs the Steam Deck.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: BeamboomWhy not use ntfs?

When you own a Linux, Mac and Windows machines, plus various old computers with USB ports running outdated operating systems like OS/2... Fat32 is still the most universally supported filesystem next to FAT16/FAT12 (which of course has a lot more limitations in partition sizes etc.)

If you have a museum of various devices all over the house ;) , it makes sense to use a very old file system as the common denominator.

I just have a very strong suspicion that a lot of those who today use fat32 just use it out of old habit to transfer/share files between two relatively new OSes.

Even using Fat32 doesn't make everything perfect, mind you. Every time I plug a Linux-formatted Fat32 USB into my Windows computer at work, it bitches that there's a problem with it and asks if it should fix it. I ignore that and it works fine, but if you ever get this, be warned: Do not let Windows try to fix the USB. It will ruin it.

You know what I hate are the extra files that the operating systems insist on putting there. Linux (depending on desktop) is just as guilty of it as Windows and macOS.

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So if No Man's Sky is verified... anyone try hooking up the Index to the Deck to see if they can play that in VR?

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Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: scaineTwo of my colleagues at work now have their Decks and are both Windows die-hards. They were both blown away by the gaming experience, expecting it to be a big sticking point, and expecting to be installing Windows on it. One of them said to me yesterday that they described my ranting about Linux as "the ravings of a mad man... but he was right!".

Sweet sweet validation.

I don't think that Linux on the desktop will ever be mainstream. The chokehold that Microsoft has on this market segment is nearly impossible to break. But, I've said it multiple times: "Linux shines in a dedicated hardware use cases." We now have another good example of that.

Basically the only way it'll happen is when you can actually go into a Walmart, or Best Buy, or whatever random store and see a selection of Linux laptops with the same specs as Windows laptops. And since I'm pretty sure Windows licenses are still discounted greatly for OEMs, and the law still remains that requires resellers have an operating system installed on the system (which is the only reason HP sells some with a FreeDOS option) than the 'year of desktop Linux' won't ever come.

If System76 could move away from mail order only, maybe even if they started selling on Amazon or something, maybe we could eventually get closer to having a mainstream Linux set up.

I mean people never would have thought Linux would be used on millions of devices (it now is on Android, though I definitely don't consider them near as useful as they should be).

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Quoting: scaineTwo of my colleagues at work now have their Decks and are both Windows die-hards. They were both blown away by the gaming experience, expecting it to be a big sticking point, and expecting to be installing Windows on it. One of them said to me yesterday that they described my ranting about Linux as "the ravings of a mad man... but he was right!".

Sweet sweet validation.

Love it! Amusingly I tend to think that most people that thing Windows is awesome, and Linux is terrible usually are ones who have either never really used it, or simply have never really used it as a desktop system.

Outside of the actual application usage, Linux desktops (pretty much any of them) are far more user and customer friendly than Windows.

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Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: slaapliedjeI was wondering if we could look up how many people went and ruined their Deck by installing Windows on it...

From what I read. Few are going 100% Windows. The vast majority of those that want to install Windows are dualbooters that play games like Destiny 2 or play Xbox Gamepass games locally.

Thing is, I also see comments of Windows users that complains about battery life, fan noise and heat that are much worse vs SteamOS... They are probably affecting the Steam Deck's lifespan, by using an "unsupported" OS. Personnally, the heat issue would worry me a lot.

Seriously, all the features that are exclusive to SteamOS and the UI's "eye candy" are convincing a lot of people that it's the best OS for the device. Valve is nailing it, this time.

Yup. I maintain still that the Steam Machines would have been fine if they'd done the Proton stuff earlier. Well, and they would have had to pick a piece of hardware to make it a standard.

The entire Steam Controller, interface for configuring that for non-gamepad games, etc. All really also needed to be in place for the Deck/steam machine to be successful. I'm guessing they've been working toward this goal for a very long time.

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