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Quoting: STiATIt took me a month to figure out that I need to force full composite pipeline on nvidia cards to get less tearing and stuttering after not having had one in 10+ years. And I thought the 3070Ti probably wasn't a that good choice after all. It's doing pretty well now. And why the heck do they still require this when it's a non-issue on AMD cards?

I've never had to turn that on.

Yeah, me neither. The few games I've ever had that issue with... well I didn't, as I turn on vsync

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Quoting: RedfaceI mentioned in this thread that Lutris is in 21.04, and it will be available in 21.10 when it releases too.
This is an important and in my opinion good way that Ubuntu is based on Debian. If you want a new package in Ubuntu you have to get it into Debian first. Its not only to not duplicate work but also to keep Ubuntu close to Debian.

I have already gone into that they do not build packages to have _ubuntu_ in them. The version of Lutris in 21.10 has no ubuntu in it for example: https://packages.ubuntu.com/hirsute/lutris
And while packaging is an important part to create a distribution, its not all, like for example building is important, where I have posted some links already, and we have not got into supporting multiple releases.

If that basically was no work the Popos and Mint for example would probably not rely on Ubuntu repositories for the bulk of their packages.

And I do have a lot of respect of Debian, it was in fact the first Linux distribution I installed on my Amiga in the 90ies.

They still need to pull upstream packages from Debian as Debian has tons of volunteers and some paid developers. So even if they pull the source with debian patches, then patch their own stuff, they'd still go away if Debian did.

What's funny about PopOS, they take Ubunut... then have their own repos. They had Lutris before Ubuntu had it available. I'd have to look at the timeline, but they may have had it packaged before Debian (which I guess leads to the 'gaming centric' statement? I don't know I'd think if it were gaming centric, they would have installed Steam by default. :P

What happens when Ubuntu stops listening to fans at all, and just drops 32bit support completely, like they wanted to? Wonder how many people will leave for another Distro.

I've thought a few times of putting Debian on my Amiga... then figured why bother, I have it on so many other machines. Though one of the funny things is, the non-x86 Linux I always though would miss out on Flash... but now Flash is dead!

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: slaapliedjeHa, this still makes me think we should have a different section for 'Don't Buy, it doesn't work in Proton', as it's seriously getting to the point where there are less titles that don't work than there are ones that do.

We have to pick and choose what we cover really because we don't have enough funding to constantly buy games, and most AA/AAA ignore us completely so it's down to my own choices.

Oh for sure, I wasn't suggesting you personally buy games that may or may not work. I was saying that we could have a dedicated section in the forum for people who have tried a game, and it didn't work and then warn not to try it. I know we have ProtonDB, but the accuracy on some of them is a little off. Like people will say it's Platinum when you have to do a bunch of tweaks to get it to work, though after it works flawlessly. So in that case they should be Gold... I have a huge library of games I can test and report on.

Doesn't even have to be Proton games, some native games have stopped working well or at all, as well.

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Ha, this still makes me think we should have a different section for 'Don't Buy, it doesn't work in Proton', as it's seriously getting to the point where there are less titles that don't work than there are ones that do.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: SuperTux

Quoting: slaapliedjeNice! I thought Spore was an awesome idea from reading about it... but when it was released, it ended up being basically just a RTS with bland units you supposedly had a choice in evolving. So much potential wasted. Will have to try this out!

From what I recall Spore was intended to be more scientifically focused, this is the original concept gameplay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpK1rZ3tkU4

Going to have to try Thrive out too, Spore fell quite short of its potential.

Yeah, I messed with the demo when it came out, loved it. Then got the full game and it rapidly just turned into an RTS where you had goofy looking characters fighting each other. Such a awesome idea, that they wussied out on and made a generic game.

Spore was so thoroughly disappointing, until recently I thought Peter Molyneux had a leading role in its development...

Ha haha, I need to be able to do a 'like/laugh' on this post.

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Quoting: NanobangWhen I re-install Debian on my test lappy I'll be sure to start a thread in the GoL forums if I run into any further problems understanding this. As I write this I can't quite remember what my specific problem was, but I do remember being bouncing between a lot of web pages. Ya'll's help here has been great, thanks.

Quoting: dpanterAvoid PPA bullcrap and the Nvidia website driver. These can and likely will break your system.

Thanks for the heads up on this!

Quoting: slaapliedjesu -
sed -i s/main/main\ contrib\ non\-free\/g /etc/apt/sources.list
apt update
apt install nvidia-driver
reboot

Thank you. :)

No problem, more converts to Debian the better! I occasionally distro hop to see how 'the other side' does things... might stay there a month, but generally head back to the warm embrace of Debian. Much easier now that I triple boot...

Just of note, once Bullseye starts to age a bit, you'll just need to enable the debian-backports (just copy the line in /etc/apt/sources.list and added '-backports' to the 'bullseye' line.

 
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports main contrib non-free
Then when you want to, for example, update your nvidia driver, you do.
 
apt install -t bullseye-backports nvidia-driver

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: NanobangYour sarcasm has been noted. :P

;)

I didn't update the page lately, but it shouldn't be harder than this:
https://ein-eike.de/2016/08/28/how-to-install-steam-and-nvidia-drivers-on-debian-jessie/

Looks still accurate. I still tend to use 'apt' vs 'apt-get' these days, but otherwise still the same :)

Now if only I could figure out how to do a pull request on the steam-devices github, as I tried to add my eSwap Pro to the udev rules...

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Shiny! Has anyone tried Cyberpunk 2077 with RTX on under Proton?

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Quoting: SuperTux

Quoting: slaapliedjeNice! I thought Spore was an awesome idea from reading about it... but when it was released, it ended up being basically just a RTS with bland units you supposedly had a choice in evolving. So much potential wasted. Will have to try this out!

From what I recall Spore was intended to be more scientifically focused, this is the original concept gameplay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpK1rZ3tkU4

Going to have to try Thrive out too, Spore fell quite short of its potential.

Yeah, I messed with the demo when it came out, loved it. Then got the full game and it rapidly just turned into an RTS where you had goofy looking characters fighting each other. Such a awesome idea, that they wussied out on and made a generic game.

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Nice! I thought Spore was an awesome idea from reading about it... but when it was released, it ended up being basically just a RTS with bland units you supposedly had a choice in evolving. So much potential wasted. Will have to try this out!

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: slaapliedjeSomeone above had mentioned that Lutris is going to be available in the next Ubuntu. That's because it was officially packaged for Debian. They basically just inherit what Debian does, and then make changes to their kernel and some other packages, and retag as they build the packages to have _ubuntu_ in them. So even if Debian is considered 'old'. People should pay it some respect for spawning a huge amount of Linux distributions.

I've been maintaining a Debian package and didn't pull in an update of the program for a long time. There hasn't been done anything to update it in Ubuntu. So usually, Debian unstable will at least as new or newer than anything in Ubuntu for most packages.

Yeah, I think only the maintainers for Debian packages that now work for Ubuntu ever tend to have an actual package that is newer in Ubuntu than Debian, and there aren't a lot of those. So while Ubuntu would likely still exist if Debian went away at some point, their ability to add new packages and keep their distribution fresh would decline significantly, and all of the different spins of Ubuntu (xubuntu, kubuntu, mint, etc) would all suffer greatly.

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