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Quoting: slaapliedje

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Quoting: slaapliedjeNice! I thought Spore was an awesome idea from reading about it... but when it was released, it ended up being basically just a RTS with bland units you supposedly had a choice in evolving. So much potential wasted. Will have to try this out!

From what I recall Spore was intended to be more scientifically focused, this is the original concept gameplay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpK1rZ3tkU4

Going to have to try Thrive out too, Spore fell quite short of its potential.

Yeah, I messed with the demo when it came out, loved it. Then got the full game and it rapidly just turned into an RTS where you had goofy looking characters fighting each other. Such a awesome idea, that they wussied out on and made a generic game.

Spore was so thoroughly disappointing, until recently I thought Peter Molyneux had a leading role in its development...

Ha haha, I need to be able to do a 'like/laugh' on this post.

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Quoting: NanobangWhen I re-install Debian on my test lappy I'll be sure to start a thread in the GoL forums if I run into any further problems understanding this. As I write this I can't quite remember what my specific problem was, but I do remember being bouncing between a lot of web pages. Ya'll's help here has been great, thanks.

Quoting: dpanterAvoid PPA bullcrap and the Nvidia website driver. These can and likely will break your system.

Thanks for the heads up on this!

Quoting: slaapliedjesu -
sed -i s/main/main\ contrib\ non\-free\/g /etc/apt/sources.list
apt update
apt install nvidia-driver
reboot

Thank you. :)

No problem, more converts to Debian the better! I occasionally distro hop to see how 'the other side' does things... might stay there a month, but generally head back to the warm embrace of Debian. Much easier now that I triple boot...

Just of note, once Bullseye starts to age a bit, you'll just need to enable the debian-backports (just copy the line in /etc/apt/sources.list and added '-backports' to the 'bullseye' line.

 
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports main contrib non-free
Then when you want to, for example, update your nvidia driver, you do.
 
apt install -t bullseye-backports nvidia-driver

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: NanobangYour sarcasm has been noted. :P

;)

I didn't update the page lately, but it shouldn't be harder than this:
https://ein-eike.de/2016/08/28/how-to-install-steam-and-nvidia-drivers-on-debian-jessie/

Looks still accurate. I still tend to use 'apt' vs 'apt-get' these days, but otherwise still the same :)

Now if only I could figure out how to do a pull request on the steam-devices github, as I tried to add my eSwap Pro to the udev rules...

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Shiny! Has anyone tried Cyberpunk 2077 with RTX on under Proton?

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Quoting: slaapliedjeNice! I thought Spore was an awesome idea from reading about it... but when it was released, it ended up being basically just a RTS with bland units you supposedly had a choice in evolving. So much potential wasted. Will have to try this out!

From what I recall Spore was intended to be more scientifically focused, this is the original concept gameplay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpK1rZ3tkU4

Going to have to try Thrive out too, Spore fell quite short of its potential.

Yeah, I messed with the demo when it came out, loved it. Then got the full game and it rapidly just turned into an RTS where you had goofy looking characters fighting each other. Such a awesome idea, that they wussied out on and made a generic game.

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Nice! I thought Spore was an awesome idea from reading about it... but when it was released, it ended up being basically just a RTS with bland units you supposedly had a choice in evolving. So much potential wasted. Will have to try this out!

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Quoting: slaapliedjeSomeone above had mentioned that Lutris is going to be available in the next Ubuntu. That's because it was officially packaged for Debian. They basically just inherit what Debian does, and then make changes to their kernel and some other packages, and retag as they build the packages to have _ubuntu_ in them. So even if Debian is considered 'old'. People should pay it some respect for spawning a huge amount of Linux distributions.

I've been maintaining a Debian package and didn't pull in an update of the program for a long time. There hasn't been done anything to update it in Ubuntu. So usually, Debian unstable will at least as new or newer than anything in Ubuntu for most packages.

Yeah, I think only the maintainers for Debian packages that now work for Ubuntu ever tend to have an actual package that is newer in Ubuntu than Debian, and there aren't a lot of those. So while Ubuntu would likely still exist if Debian went away at some point, their ability to add new packages and keep their distribution fresh would decline significantly, and all of the different spins of Ubuntu (xubuntu, kubuntu, mint, etc) would all suffer greatly.

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Quoting: t3gIf you are a gamer, it is still better to stick with with Ubuntu/Pop_OS or Manjaro due to the udpated kernels and work into MESA that you will miss from Debian being locked down for 2 more years. You can always go with the Testing or SID branch though. If you want that bleeding edge, may as well just do Manjaro.

When Ubuntu is based on the Debian Sid branch.. :)

People often post one distribution is based on another without more context, like

Ubuntu is based on Debian (Ubuntu shares upstream deb source packages with Debian and synchronize many but not all source packages from sid, but builds them all in Ubuntu reporsitories )

Linux Mint is Based on Ubuntu (Mint adds all Ubuntu repositories to the corresponding Ubuntu release and adds a few hundreds packages, their DEs, some utility programs and Firefox and Chromium, 99.9% of available packages come straight from Ubuntu)

Manjaro is based on Arch (Manjaro delays updates from Arch official, but not the AUR)

But those three "based" are way different, so the only information is actually, "has a relation to".

Lets compare Bullseye with Focal (20.04) for some gaming related things.

Bullseye comes with Linux 5.10, while Focal has 5.11 from HWE (and still 5.4 as GA kernel)
Bullseye has Mesa 20.3, while Focal has Mesa 21.0
Bullseye has Nvidia 460.91, while Focal has Nvidia 470.57
Bullseye has Lutris 0.5.8 while Focal has none, you need a PPA, it first was added to Ubuntu in 20.10, or 21.04

the kernel, mesa and nvidia drivers will continue to be upgraded in 20.04 until the first point release of 22.04 for kernel and mesa, 18.04 still gets the newest Nvidia drivers so its probable for the normal 5 years support that nvidia drivers are kept up to date to the newest version now for Ubuntu LTS.

You miss that they will also continue to be updated in Debian via Backports.

Also this is supported for Debian and Ubuntu if you want newer kernels. https://liquorix.net/

Actually for 20.04 being an LTS release.. I would not want them to be updating things. You want the system to be stable for servers. Still one of the main reasons I prefer Debian or RHEL based systems to Ubuntu.

The 'based on' generally means, if the base were to go away, so would that distro. Without the hard work of Arch and Debian, etc, then many other distros would fall.

If you take a look at how many distributions have attempted to make Debian more friendly and have died in the past... there are ALOT! Corel Linux was one of my favorite. But they too couldn't keep something up to date and useful.

Ubuntu just kind of happened to be there at the right place / right time, and didn't try (initially) to take on too much. Qnd Shuttleworth has all that Thawte money...

I did not write the comment you first replied to about that "If you are a gamer, it is still better to stick with with Ubuntu/Pop_OS or Manjaro" My opinion is that people should use what they like and what works for them.

This is gamingonlinux and not serversonlinux so I did not mention that servers per default get the kernel the LTS release originally came with called GA, plus bugfixes, while they do have the option for the HWE rolling kernels, just as desktop users can switch to the GA kernel.

And if that is what you mean with based on, then Ubuntu is not based on Debian, which does not make sense. It is just that as I wrote, without more context not meaning more than "related to".

If Debian and its servers should disappear then Ubuntu still has the build system and source and binary packages for all packages for all still supported releases. They would have to rethink how handle newer versions for packages in the universe repositories, but still have all the already released distributions and the capability to create a new one, but most likely with less packages.

Compare that to Linux Mint if Ubuntu should disappear, or LMDE for their Debian edition of Debian would disappear.
They would loose 99% of the packages available since they do not build complete distributions but add the repositories of the distribution they are based on.

So "based on" in itself has way to many meanings in the distribution world without more context to say more than is "related to"

Ubuntu grabs from Debian Sid every 6 months for their next release, 'Ubuntu-izes' the packages and builds them out to the next release.

So you have Debian Sid -> Ubuntu for 5 months, freeze for one month, release. This is why you shouldn't ever upgrade your $LTS-Version to $LTS-Version+1 until it is at like an extra .1 or .2 (as that is an extra month or two of testing / patching.).

If Ubuntu would disappear, they'd just go back to using Debian, that's the whole reason LMDE exists. Debian has been around since the mid 90s. It's one of the few that have really not changed their goals over this whole time. It's also the distribution with the most supported packages (unlike Ubuntu, who does not consider anything outside of 'main' to be supported.)

Someone above had mentioned that Lutris is going to be available in the next Ubuntu. That's because it was officially packaged for Debian. They basically just inherit what Debian does, and then make changes to their kernel and some other packages, and retag as they build the packages to have _ubuntu_ in them. So even if Debian is considered 'old'. People should pay it some respect for spawning a huge amount of Linux distributions.

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Quoting: Redface

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: t3gIf you are a gamer, it is still better to stick with with Ubuntu/Pop_OS or Manjaro due to the udpated kernels and work into MESA that you will miss from Debian being locked down for 2 more years. You can always go with the Testing or SID branch though. If you want that bleeding edge, may as well just do Manjaro.

When Ubuntu is based on the Debian Sid branch.. :)

People often post one distribution is based on another without more context, like

Ubuntu is based on Debian (Ubuntu shares upstream deb source packages with Debian and synchronize many but not all source packages from sid, but builds them all in Ubuntu reporsitories )

Linux Mint is Based on Ubuntu (Mint adds all Ubuntu repositories to the corresponding Ubuntu release and adds a few hundreds packages, their DEs, some utility programs and Firefox and Chromium, 99.9% of available packages come straight from Ubuntu)

Manjaro is based on Arch (Manjaro delays updates from Arch official, but not the AUR)

But those three "based" are way different, so the only information is actually, "has a relation to".

Lets compare Bullseye with Focal (20.04) for some gaming related things.

Bullseye comes with Linux 5.10, while Focal has 5.11 from HWE (and still 5.4 as GA kernel)
Bullseye has Mesa 20.3, while Focal has Mesa 21.0
Bullseye has Nvidia 460.91, while Focal has Nvidia 470.57
Bullseye has Lutris 0.5.8 while Focal has none, you need a PPA, it first was added to Ubuntu in 20.10, or 21.04

the kernel, mesa and nvidia drivers will continue to be upgraded in 20.04 until the first point release of 22.04 for kernel and mesa, 18.04 still gets the newest Nvidia drivers so its probable for the normal 5 years support that nvidia drivers are kept up to date to the newest version now for Ubuntu LTS.

You miss that they will also continue to be updated in Debian via Backports.

Also this is supported for Debian and Ubuntu if you want newer kernels. https://liquorix.net/

Actually for 20.04 being an LTS release.. I would not want them to be updating things. You want the system to be stable for servers. Still one of the main reasons I prefer Debian or RHEL based systems to Ubuntu.

The 'based on' generally means, if the base were to go away, so would that distro. Without the hard work of Arch and Debian, etc, then many other distros would fall.

If you take a look at how many distributions have attempted to make Debian more friendly and have died in the past... there are ALOT! Corel Linux was one of my favorite. But they too couldn't keep something up to date and useful.

Ubuntu just kind of happened to be there at the right place / right time, and didn't try (initially) to take on too much. Qnd Shuttleworth has all that Thawte money...

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My favorite thing about when a new Debian stable releases...

It opens the flood gate for Unstable to get new packages. 97 today! Looks like gnome 40 and new KDE already?

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: HoriBut it depends on the person... Most people including myself prefer dedicated apps.

This leads OT obviously, but let me ask you... Why?

Ha, yeah I don't get it...means individual apps may not be updated with new security features that are inherent in having an updated browser.

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