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Quoting: slaapliedjeAnyhow more about the game, it seems that I too had to use the 'useGLFW: False' on Debian Sid, and then the initial building had a bunch of weird flashing tiles.

The glitches are part of the game and supposed to be there. :)

Is it explained why the glitches are there? I mean to me it looks like just a graphical glitch like the memory is reading the wrong tiles and just makes a flashy weird mess. I kind of accepted it with the rubble at the beginning, but one of the beasties I attacked in the tutorial dungeon didn't seem like it belonged.

Wish I had more time to play it! Seems interesting so far.

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Quoting: KorsMan, I love KDE.
Its getting better with time.

This is one thing that separates KDE from other platforms, eg Windows and macOS, and even Gnome. Future releases always leverage what was done well before and what is loved by users, rather than making changes that no one asked for and no one wants.

Gnome has gotten better, but there have been people who are loud and complain about random feature that didn't work well before, or was coded poorly being ripped out. Like I think the desktop icons were done in some weird way that no one wanted to maintain and just needed to have an alternate method for doing, so they released an extension. I prefer a bare bones approach that can be built upon vs cramming everything out there and making a mess for dialogs (I've had to search online where the setting to change the clock to 12 hour mode in KDE in the past, something like that should be easier to discover, especially for someone who has been using computers most of their life). But yes, it seems once everyone decided we should have 3d accelerated desktops, all of the DEs seemed to have improved here and there.

Fun thing about that last bit, from my understanding, most modern GPUs don't have 2d acceleration anymore, so we're basically required to use the 3d bits to make them run decent. Hurts when you're trying to run on an older machine that only does 2D acceleration. but hey since most distributions are dropping 32bit support, I guess that isn't an issue?

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Quoting: KuduzkehpanI strongly recommend KDE NEON as it follows;

1) Neon is a rolling release of "K Desktop Environments"
2) Based on most supported and app rich and secure distro as its Latest UBUNTU LTS. (stable speedy for regular user and they dont give a shit about intermediate stability and speed)
3) KDE is more user friendly and faster than anyother DE. for whom moving from "mac os" or "windows". (yes u cant suggest gnome to anyone with "you cant put an icon on desktop" argument)

I'm sure KDE is good, but Mate and Cinnamon make pretty dashed good migration-from-Windows environments. Not sure about Mac--I don't know Mac well, every time I've tried to do something on a Mac I found it a confusing headache, so I don't know what kind of DE would give Mac users what they like/expect.

Way back when I first saw Mac OSX on PPC systems, I thought the dock was neat and it was 'pretty' compared to the bland Windows. But actually using the system just ends up infuriating me. As it acts like it wants to be a Linux / Unix system, but with the closed bits and annoying 'log into icloud' pop ups all the time, I just can't use it.

Well any desktop / application that constantly asks me to sign in tends to piss me off. Like last night I was setting up Win10 as a game box for the living room (mainly because Launchbox is still a pain under Wine) and the nvidia drivers asking me to sign in... really? I have to sign into a driver utility now? What the hell is the purpose of that? At least MS still allows me to skip logging into a MS account.

But this is why I use Linux in all it's various forms. Signing into things is a choice, not forced upon you or nagged until you give in. Unlike Android which you pretty much are required to have a gmail account, regardless if you never intend to actually use it for email.

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Quoting: KuduzkehpanI strongly recommend KDE NEON as it follows;

1) Neon is a rolling release of "K Desktop Environments"
2) Based on most supported and app rich and secure distro as its Latest UBUNTU LTS. (stable speedy for regular user and they dont give a shit about intermediate stability and speed)
3) KDE is more user friendly and faster than anyother DE. for whom moving from "mac os" or "windows". (yes u cant suggest gnome to anyone with "you cant put an icon on desktop" argument)

You can put an icon on the desktop. But frankly I hate desktop icons. I like a pretty wallpaper if I'm not running anything. Most of the time I have tons of windows open though so desktop icons are pointless anyhow. Being able to hit a key, search for an application to launch and then hit enter (or maybe arrow keys if you have multiple matches) is so very convenient to my work flow, it's crazy. Other than that gnome just stays out of your way, like a good DE should do.

The third part really is based on opinion rather than fact. Some DEs are more friendly and there definitely are ones that are faster, but it depends on what 'faster' means. Like is it faster to launch applications (the reason behind a DE), faster to whip open the control panel and find / change a setting? Or just moving windows around? :grin:

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Ha ha, I think I recently saw something that showed it wasn't Kool-Aid they drank, but actually was a rip off one.

https://www.woot.com/blog/post/the-debunker-did-the-jonestown-cultists-drink-the-kool-aid [External Link]

But here's the detail that most people don't know: the 907 people who died of cyanide poisoning at Jonestown did not ingest the poison in Kool-Aid. Instead, Jones's aids mixed up the fatal cocktail in metal drums of grape Flavor Aid, Kool-Aid's cheaper competitor. Somehow Flavor Aid escaped unscathed from this public relations nightmare, with Kool-Aid taking the hit instead. The Kraft brand seems to be doing okay though, still selling over $300 million worth of its fruity powders every year.

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sure, it's possible....
but brand names very often become "a thing":

let me google that
pass me a kleenex
i need a band-aid
this floor could use a good hoovering(bonus points to anyone who gets that reference)

i just noticed there was alot of Corporate Overlord Propaganda Flavored Kool-Aid on offer here and i wanted to make sure others had more flavors to choose from.

Oh yeah, I know for sure how brand names become synonymous with the definition of that thing. Though for Kool-Aid I'm sure that isn't something they are proud of. 'Drink the Kool-Aid' sounds so much better than 'Drink the Flavor-Aid' though! Both I'm sure are deadly to me without cyanide as they're basically sugar. Stupid diabetes.

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Ha ha, I think I recently saw something that showed it wasn't Kool-Aid they drank, but actually was a rip off one.

https://www.woot.com/blog/post/the-debunker-did-the-jonestown-cultists-drink-the-kool-aid [External Link]

But here's the detail that most people don't know: the 907 people who died of cyanide poisoning at Jonestown did not ingest the poison in Kool-Aid. Instead, Jones's aids mixed up the fatal cocktail in metal drums of grape Flavor Aid, Kool-Aid's cheaper competitor. Somehow Flavor Aid escaped unscathed from this public relations nightmare, with Kool-Aid taking the hit instead. The Kraft brand seems to be doing okay though, still selling over $300 million worth of its fruity powders every year.

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Quoting: Dorrit

Quoting: slaapliedjeCrying shame we can't get some DE that is somewhere in the middle

I find recent Plasma 5 versions to be the perfect middle since you'll only tweak if you want, the out of the box experience is already quite good.

I think the last time I loaded it up was 5.18? And it was still sort of a mess. It also depends on the distribution, some of them will take the raw DE stuff and tweak it for their users so it's a nicer set up. Debian is what I use and they tend to just package the stuff and you get what upstream feels is how things should be.

Ubuntu is a perfect example of this for gnome. Pop_OS does something similar, I just like their choice of how they do gnome a little bit better, it's also easier in Pop_OS to revert to a standard Gnome desktop than Ubuntu. I'm not sure how either of them handle KDE, as Kubuntu is it's own thing, and Pop_OS doesn't ship a KDE version, so I'm not sure how the packages for those work.

Another fun thing about the DEs is that for some reason if you don't use GDM with Gnome certain things don't work. KDE on the other hand doesn't seem to care if you're using sddm or lightdm or gdm. So KDE does have that going for it. I think GDM does load up something that makes power management(?) and a few other things work for Gnome.

I'll have to give KDE a try again if I can ever get away from my work laptop for long enough to give it a good try again :P

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Quoting: Basiani

Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: slaapliedjeSure, maybe the gameplay didn't change, but what if they dropped Linux support because they couldn't figure out how to install a rootkit, but they did on the Windows version?

An online game needs good anti-cheat software, that's an unfortunate truth.
If rootkits are truly necessary or not is certainly up for debate (I'd say no), but it doesn't really matter for this point.
If an online game does not have good anti-cheat, then the quality of the game would definitely suffer.

I just don't see what the connection between dropping a platform and a game's quality has to do with this?

Two possilbe reasons:
1) Their rootkits doesn't work same way in Linux as on Windows, so it can't do anything against Linux cheaters.
2) Their rootkits can't be hidden from advanced Linux researchers and of caurse they not want that.

That's all correct, and it might be possible explanations of why a platform is dropped - security concerns.
But still nothing of that has anything to do with the quality of the game. I'm really not getting the connection here.

Quoting: areamanplaysgameI can link to Wikipedia, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#Government_partnerships [External Link]

1.) Wikipedia as the arbiter of truth - come on :grin: It's good for anything historical or scientific, including IT, but as soon as politics are involved, I wouldn't trust Wikipedia more than the next best tabloid journalist...
2.) So, what? You think only the Chinese government has games made on behalf of them? Seriously?
3.) The post you quoted didn't quote Wikipedia to begin with ??

Quoting: areamanplaysgameYou should assume that big multinational corporations based in China are more or less directly controlled by the CCP

Except for the tiny part where this is simply untrue and typical western China bashing.
Even Chinese SOEs have a lot of leeway in how they run their businesses - privately owned companies even more so. And Tencent is not an SOE.
Are large companies monitored by the CCP? Of course - but as long as they don't take action against the government or get too uppity, they can do whatever they want.

Quoting: areamanplaysgameThey don't need your help.

Indeed they don't. And I don't think anyone here is defeding Tencents actions in anything.
What does need some help in the face of your blatant conspiracy of "they control everything!" is the truth, though.

The quality of the game could be diminished by the anti cheat / rootkit causing performance issues (especially on lower end machines). I apologize if I didn't specify that's what I meant in my previous post, as I thought it would be obvious.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: rea987You do realize this is a site dedicated to Gaming on Linux? Of course a game losing support for a Linux make itself worse for Linux players.

No, it doesn't.
The game itself isn't better or worse. It's mechanics didn't change, nothing about it that has any influence on the quality of game changed, nobody who still plays the game lost any game quality over that change.

You can't play it. That makes your situation worse, so Epic made your situation worse, indeed, but not the game itself.
One shouldn't confuse one's own situation in relation to the game with the quality of a game itself.

Quoting: Segata SanshiroMore like authoritarian capitalism or "capitalism with Chinese characteristics." I honestly hope no one tries to emulate that, it sounds like an incredibly unpleasant world to live in.

Don't know about that. In contrast to the slowly collapsing economies we have in the west, their shit works and seems vastly more stable. And that is IMO mostly due to the advantages of authoritarian systems.
Not saying all should copy it, but it should be looked at thoroughly and without blinding idealism to see what improvements, if any, can be taken from it and applied to ours.

Well, that depends. Sure, maybe the gameplay didn't change, but what if they dropped Linux support because they couldn't figure out how to install a rootkit, but they did on the Windows version?
https://www.osnews.com/story/131665/riot-games-maker-of-league-of-legends-installs-rootkit-with-their-new-hit-game-valorant/ [External Link]

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Quoting: sudoerPlease stop spreading FUD, KDE (plasma) does not break your system nor it is bloated as a fellow user above wrote, pick a distro which provides a minimal install or plain plasma or know what you are doing with Linux in the first place.

Ha, I mean 'bloated' is a relative term. I think Ubuntu's default gnome is bloated.
People think Debian' gnome is bloated because they include Evolution instead of thunderbird.
Can't win 'em all.

I think KDE's problem has always been that they have so many options that you can easily (or it is easier anyhow) to get into a situation were things don't work quite right.
Gnome went the opposite way and trimmed out a lot of options. Crying shame we can't get some DE that is somewhere in the middle.
macOS are not any better in this either.

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