Quoting: jarl.arntzenWhy not just call it "Couch OS".
Much more fun name which is actually perfectly related with the use case :D

That sounds like the OS is running on your couch. Smart couches anyone?

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If you liked Salt & Sanctuary, you should play this game. Also if you liked Axiom Verge or Hollow Knight.

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My babies have grown up and left the house :wub:

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> Defendants have caused and continue to cause irreparable harm

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Quoting: CatKilleryou wouldn't let a child act like that, much less a professional software developer

If a child opens a lemonade stand and sells lemonade *with a cup* for 25 cents, then after you drank the whole lemonade, they regret it and ask for the cup back, will you ask for a full refund of your 25 cents? I sure hope your answer is no.

If a developer supports Linux, I buy and play the game to the end, with no intention of replaying it, then they remove Linux support, should they give a full refund? Do you see the analogy?

That's why I'm saying it's not so simple to define a rule that's fair. A developer pulling Linux support after they made sales is a dick move, but if your solution is to scare them from the start, they will simply chicken out and not do it in the first place. Funny you mentioned children, because that's exactly what I learned from my own child; you scare them to keep them safe and they become cowards.

In short, if you want more Linux support you need to encourage developers, not scare them, and some may very well fail after trying and that's normal.

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Quoting: ShabbyXAllow me to clarify, IIUC, kokokk's point is that even if the developer truly wants to support the platform and even if they honestly will try their best, forcing them like suggested may scare them so much they would decide not to take the risk.

They wouldn't be forced to support anything. They'd just have to give the money back if they lied about providing support when they don't, rather than just keeping it.

To put it another way: if you've written on your store page that you're going to support a platform, to entice customers on that platform to give you money, but you are unable or unwilling to provide that support, why should you get to keep the money?

I get your point, but your assumption is that any developer who drops Linux support has a malicious intent, and they were trying to cheat people out of their money right from the get go. That's where the disagreement really is. I don't believe for example the developer in this article intentionally thought "let me boost my sales by 1% through lies and deceit". They simply bit more than they could chew.

And regarding refund, I do wish there was a refund system for this, but it's not simple to be fair. For example, I had a lot of fun with Rocket League before they pulled the plug, is it justified that I get a full refund? I don't think so. Some cases are very clear to me though, if I bought the game and haven't played it yet, and support is dropped, then yes a full refund makes sense.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: GuestRight, so let's put the following way:
Since most of developers are not so good (tm) at their job, not so much native titles will come in the future if you force them to unconditionally support Linux after launch.

Why the hell should anyone be giving them money for a game they won't support? Just because they lied about it to pretend that they would? Taking money under false pretences is fraud. Those are the people you want to buy games from?

I give up, probably there's a language barrier here.

Allow me to clarify, IIUC, kokokk's point is that even if the developer truly wants to support the platform and even if they honestly will try their best, forcing them like suggested may scare them so much they would decide not to take the risk.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPGame developers suck at software development, despite doing exactly that

Well the majority of "game developers" are actually just artists. One-man-army game devs are artists who can code a little.

Even a good majority of professional developers suck at programming (sorry, but that's the truth), can't really expect much from artists.

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Quoting: GuestWell, I guess it's time to reinstall Windows on my main gaming PC again. With Ethan Lee and Ryan Gordon raising concerns, Feral cancelling ports and many other developers bailing out of Linux gaming, I don't see any reason to stay. I don't want to mess with custom Proton runtimes, DLL overrides, env variables and many subtle bugs that plague even the games with "Platinum" rating on ProtonDB - I just want to click and play, like a normal person.

Maybe in 2016-2018 the market share was lower, but at least we were getting ones of the best indie games natively, Feral and Aspyr were porting the top AAA games, and... Maybe some people still remember that actually in the middle of 2018 Feral were at their peak performance - both in terms of porting quality and the amount of contracts they were getting. Right before Valve dropped Proton bomb on them.

I'm not leaving Linux completely - I will still prefer free software for my daily tasks and use Linux on my non-gaming PCs. I might revisit Linux gaming if the situation changes, but... Right now I don't see a reason why I should prefer gaming on poorly implemented Windows to gaming on Windows.

Don't know about you, but I exclusively buy native games and still have way too amny games in my backlog. Despite proton, there's no shortage of good games on Linux.

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Quoting: PangaeaThis development has been a concern of mine for quite a while, and I'm surprised not more people could anticipate where this was going.

Everybody could see where this is going.

Quoting: Pangaeathe freedom that Linux USUALLY means.

Believe it or not, Linux usually actually doesn't mean freedom. You have Linux in servers, phones and microcontrollers, non of which offee *you* any freedom. Desktop where it does offer freedom is a small percentage.

Quoting: PangaeaAnd here we are, seeing the consequences of people blindly supporting shteam, valve, google and proton. Heck, there is barely an article on this very site without a plug about it.

This is the part I really don't agree with. No one is "blindly" following Valve. They are in it for the money, we all know it. We like Valve because of all they've done to make Linux a viable gaming platform (despite it all being selfish).

Like it or not, steam is removing one of the biggest hurdles to Linux adoption.

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