Quoting: lucifertdarkHands up everyone on here who has received deaththreats or verbal abuse on the Internet, my hand is up by the way, do you know what I did the last time I had some? I laughed & told them to feck right off, it's the internet, what are they going to do reach through the screen & strangle me?

These soft as muck developers need to grow a backbone & get on with giving us the games on Linux cause Windows isn't going to be around for much longer & when it's gone we'll still be here playing the games they didn't develop & they'll be on the unemployment line.

What makes you think Windows won't be around much longer? Last I checked, Microsoft still had a stranglehold on the home desktop market, and there are no indications that they've loosened their grasp.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: Mountain ManBut when I look at the developer's response in this case, the phrase "Cutting off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind.

You assume the claim that they cancelled Linux plans because of trolls is correct. Nothing really substantiates it.

That's the premise of the article we're discussing.

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Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: Mountain ManIf that's the reason they've abandoned Linux then that seems rather petty.

Not even close to the level of pettiness shown by that vocal chunk that spewed forth a wall of toxicity towards those who were trying to help us out.

That's just the background noise you have to put up with when doing business.

Absolutely not! We're a small enough market already, and when a seemingly large chunk of that small market is the most vocal about something then that ends up being what people/devs/publishers see AND ASSOCIATE OUR SMALL MARKET WITH.

Justifying and allowing this is not good. It's idiotic. It's harmful.

I'm not justifying the behavior or saying that it should be allowed. But when I look at the developer's response in this case, the phrase "Cutting off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind. Surely there are better ways of dealing with a handful of trolls than by abandoning an entire segment of the market, even if it is a relatively small segment.

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Quoting: HoriLearning bash has the second advantage of being helpful on Mac also.

If only for the purposes of transferring large number of files from one location to another. I've found the OSX GUI often chokes on the process making the command line the only reliable method for getting it done.

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Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: Mountain ManIf that's the reason they've abandoned Linux then that seems rather petty.

Not even close to the level of pettiness shown by that vocal chunk that spewed forth a wall of toxicity towards those who were trying to help us out.

That's just the background noise you have to put up with when doing business.

Again, threats of violence are not "background noise". Can't believe so many people are trying to justify this.

Just imagine if you provided a physical service on the street - pretzels, shoe shine, whatever - and on the one hand, you have a group of people literally 10 feet away shouting that you should just fucking die because your service, in their opinion, is sub standard. Then on the other hand, a second group of people standing 5 feet away telling you to grow a thicker skin, just ignore those guys, pfff, just background noise.

Yeah, sure. This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever experienced on the internet. And, given Reddit, or the Steam Forums, that's really saying something.

I'm not justifying anything. I'm just trying to put things into perspective. A hostile post on an internet forum is nowhere close to a mob threatening physical violence from 10-feet away, so your analogy doesn't hold water.

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Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: Mountain ManIf that's the reason they've abandoned Linux then that seems rather petty.

Not even close to the level of pettiness shown by that vocal chunk that spewed forth a wall of toxicity towards those who were trying to help us out.

That's just the background noise you have to put up with when doing business.

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If that's the reason they've abandoned Linux then that seems rather petty.

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I love XCOM 2 because it's a fantastic game. I hate XCOM 2 because it will kick your teeth in without warning. I have never even come close to seeing the end-game. But I still love it.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: Mountain ManWhatever DRM Steam uses is transparent to the end user.

It's actually ironic, but transparent DRM is worse security wise. It's like a hidden camera which is "transparent" as long as you don't pay attention to what it does. At least when it hinders you all the time, you pay attention and can be annoyed enough to do something about it.

I'm not sure how it's worse for security. You mean just because you don't know it's there? I'll be honest, I haven't audited every piece of software on my Kubuntu box, so there is a certain level of trust, even when it's open source.

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Quoting: Tuxee

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: ageresPopups can be turned off.

Why are people so open-source obsessed? Games are not open-source anyway, as well as Nvidia drivers, so what would be different if Steam goes open-source? Linux market share is too small for gamers to be capricious and picky. Why are people so open-source obsessed? Games are not open-source anyway, as well as Nvidia drivers

We are using Linux after all, not Windows, so you can answer your own question. There is no reason to make such clients closed, except for DRM. DRM can't be open by definition.

I appreciate open source software for important core components of my operating system and the applications I have to work with. I couldn't care less whether such utterly unimportant things as games are open source or not. And the Steam client? Well, it would be nice if it was open source, but far from a necessity. After all we are still talking about this rather unimportant stuff. OTOH DRM can be open source - checking a serial number against some registered serial numbers is hardly anything which requires security by obscurity. Plus there have been initiatives for open source DRM solutions - they probably never caught on.

This has always been my view. Games are fun but not essential. And not that I advocate piracy, but it's prevalent enough that games will always be preserved in some fashion. I find it ironic that the Commodore 64 software library still exists today thanks almost exclusively to "warez" groups, so I'm really not worried about DRM except in cases where it actively hinders my ability to use software that I have legally acquired. Whatever DRM Steam uses is transparent to the end user.

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