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Quoting: sarmad

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: lucifertdarkLinux users have to play the waiting game again, this is how it's always been, heck we've waited years/decades for game support as good as Valve is supplying, a few more days wait isn't going to kill anyone.

That's not the problem. The problem is that even Valve is treating Linux users like second class citizens despite their efforts over the past few years to promote Linux as a viable gaming platform. If any developer were to have a day-one Linux release, you'd expect it to be Valve. A move like this sends mixed messages.

Valve is not treating Linux as second class, it's in fact treating Linux as first class and Windows as second class. If you want to use the "Steam Machine" brand you have to use the Linux based SteamOS. If you want to include a Steam Controller with your box it has to run SteamOS, or at least that's what the Alienware guy implied in this video:
http://www.maximumpc.com/e3-probing-alienwares-steam-machine-and-steam-controller-video/ [External Link]

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I think you responded to the wrong article.

No, I didn't respond to the wrong article. You were saying Valve is treating Linux as second class so I mentioned some facts that indicate the opposite.

There's another article here talking about Alienware, which is why I thought you had responded to the wrong article, because your response comes across as a non-sequitur.

So Valve is controlling the "Steam Machine" brand. So what? I don't see how that equates to Valve treating Linux like a first class citizen, especially in light of the fact that Valve obviously didn't prioritize Linux/SteamOS support in Source 2 or give us day one access to an update to one of their most popular games, and the Steam for Linux client itself still lags behind the Windows version in some important areas (particularly broadcasting and in-home streaming).

Here's the rub: Valve is (presumably) out there promoting Linux/SteamOS support, trying to get other developers to jump on board, but then Valve doesn't give Linux/SteamOS priority support themselves. This is why I say it's sending mixed messages.

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Quoting: sarmad

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: lucifertdarkLinux users have to play the waiting game again, this is how it's always been, heck we've waited years/decades for game support as good as Valve is supplying, a few more days wait isn't going to kill anyone.

That's not the problem. The problem is that even Valve is treating Linux users like second class citizens despite their efforts over the past few years to promote Linux as a viable gaming platform. If any developer were to have a day-one Linux release, you'd expect it to be Valve. A move like this sends mixed messages.

Valve is not treating Linux as second class, it's in fact treating Linux as first class and Windows as second class. If you want to use the "Steam Machine" brand you have to use the Linux based SteamOS. If you want to include a Steam Controller with your box it has to run SteamOS, or at least that's what the Alienware guy implied in this video:
http://www.maximumpc.com/e3-probing-alienwares-steam-machine-and-steam-controller-video/ [External Link]

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I think you responded to the wrong article.

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Quoting: darkszlufstill i feel like the lack of things like fallout 4 or gta V is a big kick in the face.

Yeah, but we're getting Arkham Knight, XCOM 2, and Shadow of Mordor (among other games), so it's not all bad.

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Quoting: lucifertdarkLinux users have to play the waiting game again, this is how it's always been, heck we've waited years/decades for game support as good as Valve is supplying, a few more days wait isn't going to kill anyone.

That's not the problem. The problem is that even Valve is treating Linux users like second class citizens despite their efforts over the past few years to promote Linux as a viable gaming platform. If any developer were to have a day-one Linux release, you'd expect it to be Valve. A move like this sends mixed messages.

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Quoting: MaelraneAs I said, nvidia is currently not an option as I do not plan to use proprietary drivers. If gaming would be my only concern I'd just boot up windows, really. That would be much less of a problem and currently I'd rather support Microsoft than nvidia :p

Frankly, you're making less and less sense the more you post. "I refuse to support proprietary solutions! I'd rather use Windows!" Um, what?

Quoting: Mountain ManDon't blame AMD if Nvidia gets a monopoly and starts charging (even more) money for their graphics cards.

The word "monopoly" gets thrown around way too much in situations where it's not warranted. Secondly, we could certainly blame AMD if they're forced out of the market because they failed to be competitive.

Look, I'm all for competition, and it would be great if Nvidia wasn't the only choice for Linux, but AMD needs to get their act together and actually compete!

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Quoting: averyvhI have a AMD card. I was proud to support AMD, because they tend be much friendlier towards open source while everything Nvidia does is proprietary. That was more important to me than a small difference in performance.

So terrible Linux support but open source versus excellent Linux support but closed source.

It's really a no brainer to me, but then I'm not one of those "Rar! GNU Linux! All hail Richard Stallman!" types, either.

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Quoting: MaelraneI plan(ned) to buy a new graphics card in the next months and I wanted it to be another AMD, but maybe I'm going to save that money for other stuff :)

Or just buy an Nvidia card and save yourself the needless aggravation. Nvidia has always offered stellar Linux support and deserve our support in return. Refusing to go the Nvidia route because their drivers are closed source is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Like Liam said, it's not Nvidia's fault that AMD drivers are second rate, so why punish them?

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AMD has always had inferior drivers going all the way back to when they were called ATi. I don't know why people even bother with them. Nvidia has always been the best.

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Vulkan is basically the next iteration of OpenGL.

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I just bought a bunch of DLC for Europa Universalis IV. 49-cents for a sprite pack is a price I can live with.

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