Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: dubigrasu

Quoting: Mountain ManLike I said, it was PR fluff that doesn't actually tell us anything.

No, it could mean a lot of things, from: "we managed to start and play the game for 5 minutes before it crashed" to "the port is working really good but we still have some issues to resolve ".
Other that " promising" we know too little to go "Likely" or "Unlikely".

That's exactly my point! Saying that something is "promising" sounds good without actually telling us anything. It's PR fluff and nothing more.

That said, "promising" is not a word I would expect someone to use to describe your latter scenario.

Frankly my dear, I don't give a fuck about what you would use or expect.

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Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: dubigrasu

Quoting: StianTheDarkThe point where we blame OpenGL is when we have run out of defence ;) OpenGL is infact (when ran on Windows) identical to DirectX performance.

You made me curious so I ran Unigine Valley on both Windows & Linux.
Ultra, 1920x1080, AA 4X

Results by score, min/avg/max FPS :

W DX11 = 3222, 30, 77, 148
W DX 9 = 2916. 29, 69,165
W GL = 2905, 32, 69, 124
L GL = 2743, 35, 65, 109

So what does that prove? That OpenGL and Linux are inferior, or that Unigine is optimzed for DirectX and Windows?

On the other hand, X-Plane 10 which doesn't contain a single line of DirectX or other proprietary, platform specific code runs identically regardless of platform. In fact, in some test cases, it actually runs slightly faster in Linux

It wasn't meant to prove anything. Does it need to prove anything?
Is only what I said, I was curious, made some benchmarks and posted the results for anyone curious like me.
Do you have a problem with that?

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Quoting: StianTheDarkThe point where we blame OpenGL is when we have run out of defence ;) OpenGL is infact (when ran on Windows) identical to DirectX performance.

You made me curious so I ran Unigine Valley on both Windows & Linux.
Ultra, 1920x1080, AA 4X

Results by score, min/avg/max FPS :

W DX11 = 3222, 30, 77, 148
W DX 9 = 2916. 29, 69,165
W GL = 2905, 32, 69, 124
L GL = 2743, 35, 65, 109

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Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: dubigrasu

Quoting: Mountain ManYeah, but saying that it's "promising" sounds good without actually telling us anything. For all we know, it could mean that it didn't instantly crash when they ran the executable, and a coder muttered, "Well, that's promising."

And it could also mean that it runs so well that they might actually releasing it soon.

Unlikely. Saying that something is "promising" means it has some degree of unrealized potential.

Like I said, it was PR fluff that doesn't actually tell us anything.

No, it could mean a lot of things, from: "we managed to start and play the game for 5 minutes before it crashed" to "the port is working really good but we still have some issues to resolve ".
Other that " promising" we know too little to go "Likely" or "Unlikely".

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Quoting: Mountain ManYeah, but saying that it's "promising" sounds good without actually telling us anything. For all we know, it could mean that it didn't instantly crash when they ran the executable, and a coder muttered, "Well, that's promising."

And it could also mean that it runs so well that they might actually releasing it soon.

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Quoting: kibblesI played a lot of this game with my kid on xbox, especially the demo derby part. This is a fun game, I will probably buy it right now and sit on it until the steam controllers come out (which I intend to buy 100%)

Don't forget to buy it from their store: http://www.deliver2mac.com/products/dirtshowdownsteam [External Link]

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: dubigrasuGo VP go!
Liam, how about an interview with these guys?

Well now, that's a beautiful idea. I was just thinking about that...

We could make a list with "uncomfortable questions & accusations " some of us here surely have for VP and use it in you interview.

Edit: OK, so it seems that what I said above about a prepared list of questions was somehow interpreted as a silly instigation for an ambush by whining and baiting VP into a bad looking interview.
Since English is not my first language I choose to think that I need more improvement with the aforementioned language, because that was totally not what I was suggesting.

At the same time I still wonder how could it be interpreted this way when my real attitude towards VP can be observed in the same very post/quote, where I enthusiastically cheered for the VP guys : Go VP go!

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Go VP go!
Liam, how about an interview with these guys?

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Quoting: ColoneilAnyone else also getting framerate drops sometime? I have a GTX 960 on steamos and getting an average of 60fps on high settings in the benchmark but for some reason sometimes the games really slow down for a few seconds ...

I get occasional slowdowns when I'm inside one of those strongholds and there are a bunch of orcs around.

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Quoting: BdMdesigNValve shows how to do it. Valve indeed put a wrapper, but sitting in the Engine and then Valve turn it into a native port.

Yes, eON, Togl, Indirectx and native...whatever the method used to port them, just port them.

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