I just realized something.
If you hate the 30% and you hate Steam because of that...
You hate Open Source.
You hate Linux Gaming.
You hate people being well paid for their hard work and for having 48 hours a week jobs.

When I see posts from Pierre Louis Griffais, when I see Steam doing pushes in Open Source API, libraries, and projects, when I see new features and fixes for Proton, when I read development was halted because an employee got sick or got pregnant, when I see new features on the Steam store, like Play Together, Steam Labs and Streaming, when I see Steam offering keys for crowdfunding campaigns...
There I know that 30% cut is not going straight to Gabe Newell's Belly.

Lowering the cut could mean Steam should cut staff including those ones who made possible Gaming in Linux being as easy as pressing a button, I mean any game!!

From Sonic ASRT to The Witcher 3 I have enjoyed playing these games on Steam every single second in my Ubuntu installation, I have the convenience and the freedom.

You are free to support the 11% cut of EPIC and their up to 100 hours a week jobs and their ZERO collaborations to the Open Source community.

Keep hating and feel free to flag this commentary. Happy hating.

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Quoting: scaineI follow a lot of indies on Twitter who genuinely despise Steam. Not just for taking a 30% cut, but for taking that cut and giving almost nothing back. They argue that the lure of the biggest audience for gaming is useless when Steam's algorithms are geared to only highlight AAA or "popular" content.

The same argument and frustration is often voiced around Play and Apple's store - they take their 30% cut but unless you magically put out the next minecraft, factorio or limbo, you're gonna languish with pitiful sales until you go out of business.

So, good luck to the lawsuit. It's doomed though, for sure. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that you have to have some fairly hard evidence that Valve actually abused their market position to suppress competition. And the clauses in question have already passed muster in other law suits... so I'm not sure the point to all this is.

LOL, I can't even think why this was brought to the table, the 3 stores/services have something in common, they'll leave almost every game these "poor" devs dare to submit to be there.
SO of course these guys want more attention to their game. Of course, they would like to be in the front all the time. Of course, they hate Steam because Valheim and other quality games appear in the front Store.
Damn Steam showing me Fall Guys, Valheim, or any Total War game in the front store instead of the spinning toy game or those hentai VN's with furry characters, or that horror game where the player gets stuck at doors.
That doom algorythm that show me quality indy games instead of the buggy and trashy ones. OMG please Steam put whatever trash this poor devs submitted so I can complain again Steam is not doing quality checks.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPAll true, but doesn't change how I think about it.
As I said, I hope it succeeds and I hope they eventually lower their cut.
But do I think this will happen, and soon? Nope.

And it won't change because unjustified biasing is a characteristic of stubborn people.

All this hate towards Steam based on the silliest arguments:
1- Steam is a monopoly, just because Microsoft, EA, GOG, and the same Epic with all that Fortnite/Chinese money hasn't been able to break Steam dominance, I guess the one to blame here is Steam because their competitors are weak or cant offer better services.
2- If you leave game devs which services to use to get a lower cut, they will use the cheapest package. They already have the cheapest package available, it is called Epic, a barebone online store. Microsoft Store, EPIC, GOG, Origin are stores. They don't go far from that, and just because there are a bunch of people who do not like cards, Play together and other Steam features that doesnt mean these things should be "optional".
3- If this silly lawsuit has some success, I guess any developer can demand consoles for having stores that have 100% dominance of the digital market in their own consoles. This is PC gaming, you are not forced to install this or that store, you can buy your games whenever you want, even PSN!
4- Siding with devs to the detriment of the customer is also a silly move, you haven't thought (I bet not)the reason people keep using EVIL STEAM who takes 30% of these poor devs who doesnt have anything to eat is the services? The reason EPIC can offer 11% is that they don't have even half the services Steam offers, if you think that way 11% is a RIP-OFF to those poor devs.

While EPIC rip-offs those poor devs 11% just for being on a front store, I see nobody saying a single word about it!

Any Steam despiser on this site has no single valid argument against Steam.
The 30% cut argument is not valid when you compare a store versus a service.
An 11% for a store is a ripoff, a 30% for a full service both for customers and devs is not.
Even If Steam lowers the cut to 11% and sells the services for a higher cut I'm sure you'll be saying Steam is still evil for not offering those services for the same 11%.

But that is the price to pay when you are on the top, you'll always get this army of despisers behind you.
This is PC and this is a Linux forum, we should be the ones to understand that we are not forced to anything, we were not forced to install Windows, we chose Linux over Windows Dominance, people can choose what store to use as we did with our OS.
Instead of hating Steam try to understand why of their dominance of the PC gaming market.

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Quoting: randylhas an MFN clause that it harms both consumers and developers.

This is getting old somehow, not only in video games but every other product in the market, from matches to luxury cars I always heard taxes and other rates imposed by countries harms manufacturers and consumers.

In my country happened that it was said that customs duties on foreign products were harming manufacturers and consumers at the same time. These duties were supported by local manufactures that can not compete with cheap labor. Once these duties were abolished, guess what happened? Prices stay the same, we lost jobs and we are paying the same.
Now, these importers are asking for tax relief over their products, this relief is not covering local manufacturers. Don't you think that these local manufacturers have the same rights as the importers?
That is pretty much what Valve does, do not put the price lower in other places because that would be unfair, it is an obvious corporative decision every one of us would make if we were the CEO of Valve.

In the end is the developer who decides if to put the game on Steam, decides the product, and I think this lawsuit is pretty much BULLSHIT, you know why? because Samurai Shodown Collection was free on EPIC on release while on Valve was on 30$ and even then people were flooding the Steam Game hub telling buyers on Steam that they were suckers for buying the game with links to the Epic store where you can get the game for free and none of these threads were censored or deleted.

So please, please, cut the crap with the "consumer being harmed" thing, this is devs wanting a bigger cut, this is a bunch of devs getting money from only God knows to lawsuit Steam, while Epic is handpicking games for stores as they accept their exclusivity agreement.

In the end, as a dev you can choose whenever you want to put a game, this is not consoles, Steam is not a monopoly and has plenty of competition.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPYou come off like a very aggressive fanboy here.

If that is true you come off like a very aggressive Steam hater, not the first time you show you think Steam is something despicable.

But once facts are presented people just stop replying...

And the first fact you or anyone else in this forum can not deny is that "lower cuts generate lower prices, which is good for customers" is a lie.

Exclusive EPIC games are still costing 60$, still cost the same as if it was on Steam.

The second fact is that EPIC is not investing the same it is own Store infrastructure which explains why they don't need a higher cut. Now, this does not affect you or many people around here who like in UK, EU or the USA which are being well-served not only by EPIC but other stores as PSN and XBOX LIVE with servers near to you and local prices but the damn rest of the world, countries that are not blessed of being inside the EURO protection or near the USA. You get your damn prices in Ponds or Euros, I get those prices in DOLLARS, while Steam use my local coin.

Now the lawsuit is not going anywhere, because part of the concept comes from a mutual agreement, and happens on every single aspect of a free market, as a DEV I am not forced to sell my game on STEAM, neither Steam is forced to accept my game, it is a mutual agreement and both parts should agree. EPIC has been denying to add games from devs that did not accept the Epic exclusivity agreement.

Just forget for a moment is Steam, that store some people hate that much, there are many supermarkets competing with each other and suddenly this product manufacturer does not like the agreement they have with one of these, you think the manufacturer with waste thousands of dollars on lawsuits? No, they just simply take the product off.

Big companies have been mentioned in the lawsuit but none of them as joining the legal action, because it is so obviously someone is pulling the strings, this is part of the lawsuit "acts as an artificial barrier to entry by potential rival platforms and as higher prices lead to less sales of PC Games"
Rival platforms, you mean EPIC, STADIA? If this is true this practice has been for years, why now?

BTW Games on Stadia also cost 60$, lol.

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I'm very glad to hear this, feel kinda bad for the jobs lost.

But every single company out there thinks they are doing "the next step in gaming" and they are trying so hard to reinvent the wheel, without asking gamers themselves if they asked for those "steps".

Valve with that VR crap and then Google making us play remotely and putting the games "we are renting" behind the worst DRM wall ever.

The very next good news to my ears is Valve is scraping VR bs and making single-player games for EVERYONE.
Have a good day.

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Quoting: bubexel

Quoting: Whitewolfe80Single player games yes please i would prefer non vr games as i think its a gimmick but as long as linux is support natively sure why not some vr games for people that into that.

Amazing that there is people saying vr is a gimmick on 2021. It's been in market atleast 4 years atm and you didn't tried it yet? do a favour to yourself and buy on second hand market and play half life alyx.

And i really hope the next game from Valve will be VR, i tought i was not experience like i did when i was child with games like doom or quake never in my live, that it was part of be a kid. But Half life Alxy made me feel same feeling, wowing at any corner of the game.

Every single VR user in this forum is the same thing, we don't like VR and you think we haven't tried. Second-hand VR are scarce and according to some VR users they don't approach that 90 FPS to enjoy VR "properly".

Expecting the next valve game to be VR is so selfish but I expect that after seeing comments coming from VR owners on Alyx forums.

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Whitewolfe80Single player games yes please i would prefer non vr games as i think its a gimmick but as long as linux is support natively sure why not some vr games for people that into that.

Not sure how you think it is a gimmick. It is truly the next step in gaming. It certainly isn't 8k resolutions. The higher frame rate and resolutions and even DLSS is all about VR. That is why VR failed in the 90s, it just wasn't 'reality' enough and it would make people sick at 60fps. 90+ is the sweet spot and higher resolutions need to be there so you don't see the pixels when they are an inch from your face. Once they get haptic feedback gloves, full body tracking and maybe eye tracking into one sweet package, gaming will go to the next level.

Granted social distancing will bwcome the new normal for sure. Ha!

Imagine the next step in gaming is having a device attached to your head all the time...
VR failed then and it is failing now, Oculus and other VR devices have been here since 4-5 years ago and not even people with enough money to buy it are not interested.

Not even mentioning the ridiculous idea that gloves and body tracking is what everyone wants. Just imagine someone who wants to play Mario, Sonic, or a simple platform/adventure game and he/she has to put that damn thing right in your eyes instead of playing while resting on the couch, or a counter strike player and he has to move so the game detect he is walking, running, crouching...

If you were right every single game out there would be an FPS, and still 2D and 3rd person view games dominate the market. Consoles are still selling very well despite the support for VR is relegated to some titles that are not popular among console gamers.

In some years when VR is still something just for a few Portability will be dominating the gaming market as it is doing today, the present and the future of gaming is smartphones with high capacity to run games in high resolutions as AAA games are doing right now in PC.

And I hope Valve stops this nonsense of throwing away money in VR, this money should go to single-player games development made for everyone, not for just a bunch of people with some extra money for 500+ peripherals as it happens on Alyx. They failed with steam machines, steam link, steam control, and now this dumb VR thing, while others make billions doing Multiplayer games for every single platform out there.

If you think VR has a chance, you are not paying attention, Alyx is no near to be as famous as HL2 was and still is, and Valve is not bringing any figure sales for Index, no AAA support after 4 years of Oculus Rift. Nintendo Switch has much less time and I think it has sold much more than all VR devices together.

Portability is the present and future, not that uncomfortable and expensive VR thing...

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This kind of support for open software just came exactly when Amazon has grown a bad reputation for evading taxes, abusing their employees, and its efforts to substitute every single employee they can for a drone.

And it is shocking it actually works, see comments, people are like, "Oh my gosh, without this big money Blender or any other would not exist". I read this article pointing out how EPIC is saving the indie and shareware scene as if the indie games were barely holding up before Epic.

Blender was a wonderful tool before big money starts to hit Blender bank account, the only advantage I see on this is some tools being developed faster but with all the money these big companies are evading in taxes, don't you think we could have better education systems for our countries with more people having access to technology education so we can have more workforce willing to help in open-source software?

120k Euros barely pay two high technology engineers, in my third world country companies pay 60k$ for frontend web development. Just imagine how much could cost a coder for a 3D program in a first-world country...

Damn all those Amazon taxes would be paying a new whole generation of software developers which some of them could easily help Blender to grow, 120k euros a year? that is Jeff Bezos's budget for toilet paper. XD.

Blender is great because they are brains behind it, not money.

5 years using Blender.

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[quote=Purple Library Guy]

Quoting: LinuxwarperBut desktop Linux doesn't compete with ChromeOS. Really, it doesn't.

It has nothing against, has nothing in favor, Google takes all the open-source code they can and return NOTHING, I had to resource to paid software since Google offers NOTHING to support Google Drive synchronization with Linux, Ubuntu has a preinstalled tool developed by Ubuntu but I can't speak for other distros, other many Google tools has no official support for our OS but workarounds made by independent developers. Not even Chrome exists on Linux. Chromium from they "steal" take their base code for Chrome doesn't "count" for many services, they work but once they got broken, they remains broken until it is fixed by someone else.

Google is like "the good guy" that does nothing when something unfair is happening, the neutral "455h0l3" from my POW.

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