Allot of gamers are playing Fortnight / PUBG / Apex, if we could get those games on Linux, well, the problems would magically be resolved pretty damn quickly!

PS. I actually hate those games!

Linux has a learning curve along with some constraints to what software you can use and how you can use it. Windows FAR less so, its not about being perfect, its about doing most of what you want. Linux sadly doesn't for most people. Yet anyway.

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Quoting: TheRiddickTry getting VRR working without odd blinking or other issues, can't.

I wonder about this. I bought a new GPU (Nvidia) and consider getting a VRR compatible monitor.
Can anybody comment on VRR working great / working not so great on Linux with a single monitor?

Yeah, frequently games/desktop gets set to blitz mode or something and it doesn't work in that mode.

Also forget about adjusting the VRR range via EDID because seems linux doesn't like that and will cause blanking.

For me I couldn't get VRR working without blinks (screen goes black for a split second) but under windows it works like a dream, even with dual monitor setup!

Also you know what people do when a system has Linux pre-installed, they format it and install windows :)

Just having Linux in their face is not enough to SELL people on the idea of using Linux, sure they may try it for a couple days then realise none of their applications or games even work under Linux, and format.

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Me personally, I can't wait for Proton to support these blasted EAC/Battleeye things, some work has already been done to support them but its still not there yet. (you can play ARMA3 on BE servers for 15minutes before it flips out, lol)

There is also hope for GOG Galaxy 2.0 and EGS coming to Linux at some point in the future, Epic even granted Lutris dev some reward money which is a sign their not totally against Linux.

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Hey I was just saying, don't act like Linux is all roses and daffodils, it has a mountain of issues that need to be addressed before we see those steam statistics budge significantly in a positive way.

and YES Windows sucks for many reasons, but it plays all games at UHD/high resolution with optimal performance and will let you use stuff like freesync and gsync however which way you want.

Basically ignoring windows stupid update system, it gets more out of your way then Linux currently does! which is what most people want, the OS to just go away and let them do whatever they want to do....

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I rephrased what I was trying to point out. I was trying to make it obvious that gamers don't care!

Do you want to play any game? or do you want to get politically and start smelling your own farts? Most people just want to play their game. Is this making sense yet?

Linux is just a HARD sell to gamers, VERY VERY HARD sell, your basically excluding some of the BIGGEST games in the industry when going to Linux for gaming. That REALLY hurts, and why most people just won't even look at Linux.

Now toss all the other problems on top of that... That should all help explain why Linux is and forever likely will be such a microscopic platform for gamers and desktop users. Be nice if that changed.. Hope it does, probably won't tho.

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Yes the windows automatic update system is dogs balls, and how they have settings now in these new style windows which can be difficult to navigate or get to the guts of what you want.

But lets just clear the water here, from a gamer perspective and desktop power user....

Try getting VRR working on a dual monitor setup, can't.
Try getting VRR working without odd blinking or other issues, can't.
Try getting a game from MS Game Store, can't. Not supported.
Try getting a game from GOG for Linux and install it without command line, can't.
Try getting a game from EGS for Linux, you can't. Not supported.
Try getting Steam to scale correctly on high resolution screens, can't.
Try getting many of DE to scale UI on all apps seamlessly, you can't. (I hear deepin might tho).

Sigh.
There is loads of things, I could go on forever you know..... But bottom line is, these issues shouldn't just be shelved and ignored, they need to have serious thought into howto resolve them! (apart from the storefronts not working under Linux, that is just an annoyance)

I have tried Cinnamon, Mate, Gnome, XFCE, Plasma, they all have issues of varying degree, I find Plasma5 oddly enough to be less problematic, or at least most things can be resolved.

Just keep in mind, if you think MSGS/EGS/GOG-Galaxy not working for Linux is a non-issue, then guess what, the majority of gamers DO think its a BIG issue! ... You see under windows loads of people remain using it because it gives them access to the games they love and play, NO is not a option.

Thus until Linux developers can grasp these issues and work on resolving them, Linux usage will not grow significantly (if only we could get to %3 or %7, that would make a HUGE difference).

Did you know GOG2.0 and EGS work under MacOS.. but they refuse to release a version for Linux, interesting isn't it. That 0.84% customer figure we are often given by steam just doesn't help to sell the platform as a REAL option for casual/power/gamers and desktop users.

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We're still small, we are a niche market and we're going to remain that way likely for some time.

What, if anything, do you think will move the needle in this regard?

My guess is we need the Linux desktop to work better, its still a bit chunky around the corners, only a couple DE's actually do UI scaling correctly, many have poor default settings which do nothing but frustrate users, some have functionality that is to hidden for the common user while others have so many UI options and configurations that its extremely easy to get confused over them.

On top of that, to get the best experience you often need to run the latest releases which for example in Ubuntu's case don't appear in the repository due to slow update cycles, so new users must LEARN howto obtain newer versions of things, keep in mind that on windows you just goto the website and download the exe, boom, under linux it requires all these repository commands and extensive searching, and then confusion over which commands are for which distro etc..

You see there are many reasons why the common folk are not flocking to Linux desktops as a alternative, and I haven't even mentioned performance and compatibility issues with games, inc VRR related problems (there are many).

Linux desktop for general use and gaming is getting allot better, but it has a hideous long way to go to come close to windows level functionality.
(it's ease of use is debatable, tho it doesn't force users into the cmd prompt all the time so that is a plus!)

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Yes DRM can often hurt sales, but like I was saying, only the online portion may need DRM or at least purchase verification. That is sadly unavoidable.

You must ONLY play single player games or you'd understand the issue with multiplayer cheating/hacking/botting, all of which is unstoppable if no DRM exists.

In saying that, some multiplayer games don't need it, like Outward for example.. Makes no sense. I'd even argue that MechWarrior5 doesn't need DRM!

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Yeah I guess, the problem with DRM is that its CRACKED within 12hrs of release anyway, it really isn't fixing the problem of piracy all that well. Perhaps 12hr window is worth the hassle of DRM nonsense, I dunno? (in particular I'm talking about DRM on single player components of games).

What I would like publishers to do is just setup a ingame sign-up thing when you go online, and have that somehow verify your purchase (key or login to store). I've actually seen some games do that, quite sensible IMO without disturbing those who just want to play single player part of a game.

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Doesn't feral have their own store? isn't that the proper way to get their games for Linux?

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