Quoting: ShmerlSaying they care about gamers or try to get games on macOS when they make existing games unplayable is complete nonsense. No point to even argue further about it.

But they are. No point to even argue further about it. Just because they removed support for legacy software doesn't make the other untrue.

Quoting: ShmerlApple doesn't care about gamers and isn't interested in their needs.

You probaly don't know much about macOS users, gamers or their needs.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy[…]

Direct3D 12, Announcement: March 24, 2014
Metal, Initial release iOS: June 2, 2014
Vulkan, Announcement: March 13, 2015
Metal, Initial release macOS: June 8, 2015
Direct3D 12, Initial release: July 29, 2015
Vulkan, Initial release: February 16, 2016

Quoting: ShmerlSo it means they don't give two sh*ts about gamers. They do whatever the heck they want for their own purposes. Gamers being completely not a consideration. QED.

Arguing any abstract arguments when they literally made already existing games on their own platform unplayable is pointless. Gamers care about games, not about Apple telling them "your games you paid for are now broken, have fun".

Yes, your right. Gamers care about games. Apple tries to get games on macOS. Apple cares about games & gamers on macOS. QED!

Talking about unplayable: Valve released a Linux based Steam Deck. Tell me, how many games don't work on the Linux based Steam Deck? What does this tell us about Valve? We're not talking about some games, there are tens of thousands of games.

And another point: Linux did break games. There was & is incompatibility between distributions & there are incompatibilities between base libraries versions (e.g. libc). There are enough reports of old native ports not working on current distributions.

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Quoting: ShmerlApple is a PC vendor, so dropping 32-bit support and not supporting OpenGL / Vulkan directly harmed gaming on their own platform.

They dropped support for old games. So what? Do you really believe any user will be angry & switch the platform? People don't buy Macs to play games. They want to play games on a Mac because they own a Mac. The goal is to get ported games into the app store.

Quoting: ShmerlIt's glaringly obvious they don't care about this use case, Steam or not Steam.

No, dropping legacy software doesn't say anything about their future efforts. Creating Metal (as a high performance API) & the Game Porting Toolkit on the other hand says they do care.

Quoting: ShmerlThey deliberately make things worse, something Linux never has done for gamers.

Every single Linux user made things deliberately worse by just switching to Linux. Only a fraction of all Windows games work on Linux (according to ProtonDB only about 15% of the Steam games are tested/documented, for the Steam Deck it's even less). There are still more than enough games to play.

More important than compatibility with old games is compatibility with new releases.

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Quoting: ShmerlGood. I don't get why anyone would use macOS for gaming.

The same reason people use Linux for gaming? It's their main system & they don't want to switch.

Quoting: ShmerlApple completely doesn't care about gamers and does the opposite from supporting them.

Since Apple probably maintains the second biggest gaming platform, that's hard to believe. They obviously don't care about Steam gamers. But they seem interested to expand their gaming support & with a unified ARM platform they are in a really strong position.

Quoting: ShmerlFrom not supporting OpenGL and Vulkan to dropping 32-bit support and so on.

Consoles drop support for the previous generations all the time & people seldom care. Worst case scenario they just buy a remaster. Eventually there will be a community driven compatibility layer (if somebody cares).

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Quoting: bingusWhy support GOG then? They don't treat Linux users nicely.

They release Linux games & don't put "anti-consumer" protection on their games. That's nice & better than the competition. And: Since native gaming is basically dead, one can just buy the DRM free games on GOG. Open source makes it easy.

Quoting: PhlebiacI see the reviews on Gollum are terrible, but Daedalic has put out lots of nice games previously. Did Gollum take them out?

It did, they stopped all in-house development. In the future they'll only act as a publisher.

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I've got at least one Denuvo game (Hi-Fi Rush) & it works fine (Steam Deck). The Steam DRM is much worse & prevents to play any games (even when the game is DRM free).

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Quoting: ssj17vegetaThere should be laws that send developers who use DRM directly to jail.

Oh, and f*ck copyright.

Makes sense. Let's kill Linux gaming by putting Valve into jail…

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Quoting: StoneColdSpiderI think you need to be looking at the shareholders for why its in the games...... Shareholders have way more influence in what a business does than people seem to want to admit........

Also this might be the conspiracy theory side of me coming out...... But it would be interesting to see who is a publisher shareholder and also a Denuvo shareholder......

Based on what experience?

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Sorry, but that's not "working same-day". There are just too much issues to workaround. Makes you wonder what went wrong since it was a long time in early access. But maybe it gets better with the actual release in september.

On macOS the situation is not much better: Seems the game page claims compatibility although it's simply not released, yet. Shouldn't there be some kind of validation for Steam releases?

Concerning the stutter: VK_EXT_graphics_pipeline_library doesn't actually fix these issues? I thought the intention was to emulate Windows' shader behaviour.

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What's the state of VK_EXT_graphics_pipeline_library on Steam Deck with Proton 8? Is it always enabled or must I manually add RADV_PERFTEST=gpl?

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