Quoting: scaineYou sound as frustrated that people hold negative opinions of GOG, as I am disappointed with GOG for their attitude towards our platform. And where else to voice that disappointment if not a thread about GOG? In fact, all the more reason to point out that disappointment, given the money they're earning, reported in this very article! Because frankly, a big, big part of the reason I'm so vocal on this is simply because they could do so much more, but have clearly chosen not to.

But defend away, by all means. We all have different views here and the things that are important to me (which I outlined above) are likely not important to you. That's fine. It's just weird to be called a whiner by someone... who by that definition is also whining (about whiners)?! :smile:

I defend because false claims are made. Yes, GOG.com had a pretty good year, mostly based on the Cyberpunk 2077 release.

But the money they're earning is not reported in this very article! It's actually pretty insignificant, especially compared to Valve or the Epic Game Store. Only 10% of all Cyberpunk 2077 sales were made through GOG.com but this seems to be almost 50% of the revenue (I don't think there are exact numbers for this, only a graph). So it's pretty save to assume that Valve made more on Cyberpunk 2077 alone than GOG.com in the whole year. It's quite possible Valve made more in one quarter with Valheim (a pretty cheap game, price-wise) than GOG.com in 2020 (including Cyberpunk 2077).

GOG Galaxy doesn't even provide some features you require at all (no workshop & multiplayer experience is rather poor with most games limited to GOG Galaxy). So it's reasonable to invest in the general improvement first before investing into a really small user group which, as you perfectly explained, won't use GOG.com or Galaxy anyway.

According to the GOG.com forums it's not even an investment worthwhile for Windows users…

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Quoting: scaineSteam is just a better experience for me. GOG could match it, but choose not to. So yeah. I think that's a perfectly valid opinion. Sorry (not sorry) you see it as whining.

It's not the opinion that makes it whining, it's the tone & context. We're commenting in a positive news about GOG.com. But you (not just specifically you) still have to come & point out that you think they're "terrible "supporters" of Linux". From the first 4 comments, 3 are negative.

Then you (specifically you) even fail at that but still need to come back to again point out that you think they're "terrible "supporters" of Linux".

What else am I supposed to see in those comments than whining? You don't have to like them, just don't bother people who prefer DRM free releases.

Quoting: CatKillerCDPR is Europe's largest game company; they aren't really the underdog any more than Ubisoft is.

They're not. Ubisoft is much larger (18000 vs 1100 employees, more studios & developers). Besides GOG.com is only a small part of the company. Unlike Valve, CD Projekt can't throw away money as they like.

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Quoting: CatKillerIf that's so now, then it's a recent change.

I don't know, but the version numbers match in releases from 2018.

Quoting: scaineThey're not even trying anymore.

They're not even responsible for the game! It's also available on Steam and, surprise-surprise, not available for Linux or macOS! A developer already said they could look into a Linux & macOS release in the future.

The whining about GOG is really bugging me. If you're happy with your DRM gods & Proton then good for you. Just stop the constant complaining about GOG. That's not "ignoring GOG".

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Quoting: CatKillerIt's not just the users that are affected, it's the game devs, too. For the other platforms Galaxy provides a patching infrastructure, but for Linux (because there's no Galaxy) devs have to upload a binary to an ftp site like it's 1996, and then wait for GOG to get around to making it live on the store page. With a random build number that doesn't relate at all to the version number that the devs or users might be familiar with.

GOG's developer documentation disagrees with you. They have released their Build Creator application for Linux so that the build is the same as on the other systems. The version numbers for Linux releases match if the developers set it correctly.

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Quoting: whizseI do wish they would start selling individual titles rather than just bundles though. We really need more DRM free bookstores...

Would be nice. DRM free books aren't uncommon, but it usually depends on the publisher, not the shop. It's only that most English (language-wise) publishers love their DRM. In other countries it's looking better (obviously only in the native language).

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I really don't get why Humble Bundle stopped providing DRM free bundles. Most games you can buy DRM free from the store & some others were previously available in other bundles.

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Quoting: MagicMythWhy is the power rating so high given its about 33% less performant that the 6800? You'd think it would be no more that 200W! Seems RNDA, despite AMD's claims, is struggling to efficiently scale down which does not bold well for their laptop range. […]

Since the 6700 XT has much higher clocks & probably runs closer to the limit, it simply should be the less efficient card. But this doesn't say anything about the architecture, raw performance (12,4 TFlops vs 13,9 TFlops) & the comparisons with nVidia suggests the 6700 XT is pretty close to the 6800. The 6700 XT should at least reach the performance of the RTX 3060 Ti (about 15% slower than the 6800). If this is true then it scales pretty well, but we need actual benchmarks for anything conclusive.

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Quoting: robvvI'm assuming that the cries for GOG support for M:E in this forum and /r/linux_gaming are due to the massive investment that CD Projekt has made in Linux libraries and gaming over the last few years..?

Valve are going to have to work hard to keep up!

The cries for GOG support are due the massive dedication that CD Projekt has shown for our freedom.

But let's all praise Valve for bringing more DRM to Linux! Great work! Surely there will be soon a dedicated kernel module to prevent us from starting our games…

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Quoting: scainePretty sure that the main driving force behind Valve's Linux work is in house. What's outsourced?

I think everything that is of interest: DXVK (I think a freelancer), Proton (CodeWeavers), anything kernel related & as far as I know even the Steam runtime (Collabora). Correct me if I'm wrong, but just check the contributors on https://github.com/ValveSoftware [External Link].

Quoting: scaineOr are you conflating sponsoring Collabora and Codeweavers work with outsourcing?

Of course, isn't it the definition of outsourcing: Paying someone else to do the work (in contrast to hire or train someone to do the work "in-house"). There is no difference to CDPR paying QLOC to do the port (though I think that Google paid CDPR that they're "allowed to pay" QLOC).

Quoting: Avehicle7887I believe shmerl was referring to CDPR being cheap, since the port wasn't done internally, not Valve.

Yes, I know what was written. And I'm pointing out, that Valve is just as "cheap" since they're a big-company and outsource most of their Linux work, too.

Quoting: ShmerlValve outsources things and then finds maintainers for that work. It's different from outsource and forget that's common for gaming studios.

I don't see your point. All of the mentioned projects are, as far as I can tell, still maintained by 3rd parties and I would assume that Valve is paying for that. And it doesn't change that the projects were not started by Valve in-house. But at least you admit that Valve is "cheap" & outsources their projects.

Quoting: ShmerlMy point is, CDPR don't have any Linux expertise in house still apparently.

Again, I don't see your point: Why would they? They don't develop Linux games. Valve is, in contrast, investing a lot of Linux technology but they still outsource the work. I don't see any reason - except badmouthing - to call CDPR cheap for a common practice.

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Quoting: ShmerlInteresting and it's too bad CDPR still don't have Linux developers in-house. Such big company shouldn't be cheap about it, by outsourcing their work.

You realize that you just called Valve a cheap company? They outsource most (or all?) of their Linux work.

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