Quoting: Klaas

Quoting: LinasNot quite what I expected the system to do.

Who would expect that? It's deliberately doing something else instead what it was told to do…

Which ironically, goes against what the CLI always had the advantage over a GUI of:

Type what you want, it does it immediately and only does what you asked it to do.

Unlike a GUI where you have to go hunting for the option for 15 minutes first. Yes Windows, I'm looking at you.

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Quoting: LinuxerNicee! Steam in a sandboxed snap sounds great. I hear this works lot better than the flatpak one. I generally use both snaps and flatpaks whatever is available:happy:

What issues does the flatpak one have? I've been using it for several months now without issues?

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Nice, well they've got to make room for the developers to remake all DLC's from Cities Skylines 1 for Cities Skylines 2 as new DLC for the next game I guess!

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Nice! No more scp for Steam game transfers! :grin:

GOG games will still get scp though :huh: :grin:

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Quoting: Grogan

Quoting: BlackBloodRumI can't comment on iPhone customers, since I've never owned any apple products! So I can't comment there. (Too expensive for my taste)

Mine too (waste of money) but I was referring to the upgrade cycle of iPhones. It keeps them envious, and a lot of people tend to upgrade their iPhones whether they need it or not.

(Personally I HATE getting a new phone! What do I need that hassle for? I keep a smart phone for 4 to 5 years at least. It's usually Android getting too old that makes me upgrade, not the hardware)

Then Fairphone may be to your interest. Even comes with a 5 year warranty, is user serviceable (yes, that's right, you can actually pop the battery out! You can even buy spare parts) and you can easily swap the OS without having to "hack" the device.

I don't have one yet, as I myself only heard about it recently. I'm going to wait until the next fairphone model (speculated sept this year) and use that, since my phone is only 3 years old and still getting security updates. Additionally, apparently the FP4 has a bug which can cause the bootloader to become locked after switching OS.. for me that's a problem as someone who changes my phones operating systems.

One thing I'm interested to try is uBuntu touch, which supposedly works well with it.

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Portable*

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Quoting: Grogan

Quoting: BlackBloodRumThe thing is, they don't have to target the hardware. They only need to ensure it works in proton or SteamOS (which, most of the work has already been done for them).

Even if the hardware changes, it doesn't break or change any of the developers previous or current on-going work.

I don't want to leave this hanging without acknowledgement. Of course that's right for the most part. The thing is, it's not me you have to convince.

First of all, customer disappointment. The clientele here is a bit different than iPhone customers lol

Secondly, right now they all have the same hardware and things are reproducible.

I'm sure I don't have to elabourate further, but these are more human conditions. Butthurt users, and devs that might throw up their arms and ridicule the platform for being so "unstable" (subject to change).

I can't comment on iPhone customers, since I've never owned any apple products! So I can't comment there. (Too expensive for my taste)

It is certainly useful to have the same hardware and to make things reproducible. This I fully agree.

As it stands however, most of the clientele thus far has been either:

A) Linux users
B) Steam customers

As it stands, both of these groups are used to the idea of upgrading hardware as it ages.

I feel the sweet spot is to have newer versions of the deck available after a reasonable time period (say, 4 to 5 years). This again has an advantage for the Deck though, unlike regular consoles, new games will continue being available for both Deck devices since they are, after all, just portable PCs. So customer who may wish to not upgrade to a new device are not forced to. They can still play the new games on their older deck at lower graphics settings. Unlike normal consoles, you're not going to be suddenly locked out of playing your new games.

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Quoting: mr-victory

Quoting: BlackBloodRumSony royally screwed me over

Uhh, we have a PS3 (3xxx model, slim) and 2 Dualshock 3's, neither has failed yet but I heard horror stories from others. The PS3 is around 10 years old but used lightly. I also set up RPCS3 and that single PS1 game bought from PSN so I can keep playing on PC in the future.

That may be so, but it doesn't change my experiences. Life experiences are what make you who you are, and in this instance, this life experience put me off consoles.

I was a Linux user at the time (exclusive) and let's just say Linux gaming was hard to come by, so the consoles were my only method of gaming, thus quite heavily used.

Thankfully, that's changed and I can play almost any game I want on Linux now :grin:

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Quoting: mr-victory

Quoting: BlackBloodRumOof consoles. I'm glad I got away from them!

Out of curiosity, what is the problem of consoles for you?

I have a few reasons.

Sony royally screwed me over. I owned the original 60GB PS3 back in the day, launch day version.

First, they removed OtherOS support (Linux support) which I had been using. Second, the console died just out of warranty with YLOD (it was a big thing at the time). They wanted me to pay almost the price of a new console to fix it, I didn't so it just sits dead now in the cupboard.

They also got hacked due to not keeping their systems up to date, and lost my personal data and financial data along with many other customers.

I eventually purchased a second PS3, it was a "slim" PS3. This one had removed the ability to play PS1 games from disc, which the older 60GB could do.

That console also eventually had a faulty disc drive and stopped reading games. Again, out of warranty. By this time I had accumulated a lot of PS3 games, so I bought the final model they had released and frankly it was like cheap crap, sliding top for the disc entry and so on. That also failed outside of warranty.

I swore never to buy another Sony console after that lot.

Aside from Sony, you've got console lock-in. If a new console is released, say PS3 to PS4, you can't take your games with you unless you have a working older version of the console, and so if you don't keep the older console or if it fails, your old games are nearly useless. To add insult to injury, they at one point started selling those older games in their digital store. You know, after they stopped new consoles from being able to read the discs.

And finally, vendor lock in, if you choose to use their digital services to buy games, you're permanently tied into their ecosystem. There's no way out of it, you can't just switch stores or play those games without their console.

Overall.. my last years with consoles weren't good to be fair. That's why I basically stopped buying and using consoles by the time the PS4 hit and haven't had any newer consoles since. (Except the deck, count yourselves lucky valve!)

(PS: Yes I'm aware of emulators to play older console games, but I'm talking strictly about the consoles themselves in this instance)

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Quoting: Grogan

Quoting: BlackBloodRumTechnically speaking, PC gaming as a whole is always a moving target. With new hardware that brings (sometimes) big improvements almost yearly, PC game developers are very much accustomed to following a moving target.

Realistically speaking, in terms of people's expectations, this is not a PC. Nobody is going to buy this if they have to keep chasing physical upgrades every year. Game devs will put zero effort (less than they do now) into supporting it, if it's a moving target too.

The thing is, they don't have to target the hardware. They only need to ensure it works in proton or SteamOS (which, most of the work has already been done for them).

Even if the hardware changes, it doesn't break or change any of the developers previous or current on-going work.

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