Well, that's just idiotic. Changing their guidelines without a warning isn't nice.

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Quoting: CreakCreak, I have experienced this frequently on Gnome3 on past steam releases (I had this issue back in October). It also happens to my fiancee on Budgie. Might be something not playing well with the window manager and focusing. I haven't experience this since using bspwm...or all my friends message me on discord and I just haven't been messaged via steam on my new setup yet...

On KDE this isn't really an issue either. And if it was you could just adjust the window options for steam and block it from taking focus completely.

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Quoting: nateAwesome, at this point we can play the original Myst and Riven on Linux using ScummVM. I was not able to get any of the other Myst games to work on Wine. I'd really like to get realMyst: Masterpiece Edition on Linux... that is the one Myst game that I've not played yet.

Myst Revelation worked perfectly for us in wine. I believe we had to apply a no-cd crack, but other than that it was perfect.

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Quoting: jgacasPlayed all of Myst games at the time, all were very good but Riven, oh boy, it was a masterpiece.

Riven?? Nothing beats Revelation! :D

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Quoting: Avehicle7887I really dislike this idea of having to prove I want to see the game on Linux though, Mac aren't far off and they get it without question.

I agree with you in a sense, but remember that mac is close to 3% steam market share, while linux is currently at 0.55%... It is going to be easier to justify dev and qa on mac than linux with those number :(

You're talking about the Steam hardware survey. Urgh. Actual dev sales are usually anywhere between 1% and 10%, depending on the game. Those figures come from this site actually asking devs for direct sales figures, not statistically neutered rounding errors from a random survey.

Some actual figures:
Helium Rain (interviewed 2018): 11%
Deep Sixed (2018): "More than 5%"
Shovel Knight (2018): 1.1%
Rise to Ruins (2018): 2.4%
Maia (multiple interviews, latest 2018): 4.9%
Planescape Torment (2017): 2% on Steam, 2.5% on their own client
Midboss (2017): 1.9%

Some titles are less than 1%, however. The most worrying is probably Stellaris, whose devs are usually very supportive of Linux, but who sounded pretty downbeat about the failure of Steam Machines and the Linux market as a whole.

Thank you for adding some good examples to counter my slightly negative comment. At no point did I say that native linux games cannot be profitable, however. My point is that them asking for interest is logical enough with those publicly available statistics, as a general point of view - rather than about a specific game or studio.

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Quoting: Avehicle7887I really dislike this idea of having to prove I want to see the game on Linux though, Mac aren't far off and they get it without question.

I agree with you in a sense, but remember that mac is close to 3% steam market share, while linux is currently at 0.55%... It is going to be easier to justify dev and qa on mac than linux with those number :(

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Quoting: GuestI don't like this attitude of developers who shun Linux and ask us to grovel in order to be able to give them money. So how will they measure demand? From a forum post? Forums posts aren't guaranteed sales. I am not interested in this type of game and would not buy it, but i could make a post too. I won't bother though because i find having to beg for a port absolutely pathetic. If they don't want our money, fine, we can play other games.

And the sad fact is that many of those developers don't really need to do this since they have already a history of ports on Linux, so there is no real technical issue for why they didn't port their latest game. Their engine already works on Linux, they don't write engines from scratch, so only minor alterations at best are required. They just don't do it because they know their games mostly work on WINE so they expect to get the sales without having to do any work. Most if not all of those lightweight indie games work on WINE in my experience anyway. So why bother with a Linux native port, right? That way you don't have to support it, or do any porting work, and you still get the money...

You know what developers? You are right, you don't have to do the work to port your game since we are going to play it on WINE. And we don't have to pay for the game since torrents exist. And people like me won't pay in order to have the privilege of playing it on WINE, when an alternative with best price on the market exists, like piratebay. See? Looking after your selfinterest works both ways...

I think someone woke up on the wrong foot today...

To tackle a few of your points:

• Their decision to not support Linux is likely based on sales from their previous title.


• A forum post with much support could point to their decision being wrong.


• Wine is a great tool. As long as they make sure not to break wine compatibility, why not depend on it?


• If Runner2 wasn't profitable, of course depending on Wine is the best balance we can get.


• Pirating games makes linux gamers even less profitable! What a great idea! :D

Now, I love linux gaming. I want to see the best for the platform. You, however, will not help that. People acting like you could be a motivation to NOT support the platform we love.

I'd love to live in a world where linux games were guaranteed to be profitable, sadly that's not the case.

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Quoting: GuestI really hope they will finally release a 64 bit Steam client including Wayland support.

What do we gain from that?

Proper modern support?

Erm really because Wayland is still really shit for gaming dont try to pretend its not, Nvidia still havent embraced wayland and show signs of doing so.

I didn't intend to start any arguments about how good or bad wayland is...

However, I'd like to set one thing straight: While wayland isn't ready for mass use yet, it's absolutely fine for gaming (with xwayland for now, of course).

How do I know? We've ran both X and wayland on pretty similar systems. The one running wayland had much, much smoother performance and rendering, less microstuttering and overall a better experience than what X could offer. The only reason we are currently sticking to X is that WoW in Wine + Wayland didn't work out too well. Somehow the mouse capture wasn't happy. Note that this is the only issue we found after ~3 months of constant use.

EDIT: I just realized I didn't touch on your point about nvidia. That is factual - but you cannot blame wayland for nvidias decision. It will, of course, decide what you chose to use but it does not change how it works with other vendors :)

TLDR: Wayland isn't perfect yet, but it's getting close. Don't spread misinformation.

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Quoting: GuestI really hope they will finally release a 64 bit Steam client including Wayland support.

Would there be any real point adding wayland support as it's already been abandoned by Canonical?

That's absolutely not correct, to what I've read. They tested wayland in their 17.10 release, but they decided (rightfully) that it wasn't ready for a LTS release like 18.04. Deciding that it still needs more time isn't the same thing as abandoning :)

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Quoting: sub

Quoting: GuestI really hope they will finally release a 64 bit Steam client including Wayland support.

What do we gain from that?

Proper modern support?

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