Quoting: MajGuanoThe game crashes on launch for me.

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It crashed at launch for me at fist, so did Mad Max. In my case it seems to be a pulse audio issue. The first time I start the game I had to issue killall pulseaudio. Seems the game wants to be the only thing accessing the audio card to get some configurations done. This happened to me on Rocket League, Mad Max and Deus Ex MD. It may just be something with Fedora but I'd give it a shot. Right before you launch the game just issue "killall pulseaudio" from the terminal.

After the first start I no longer had to issue the command.

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Quoting: edddeduckferal

Quoting: m2mg2After the first run, between scenes and saves?

The first run is the graphics driver compiling and caching shaders to optimise the game experience and avoid in level stutters. After the first run the Nvidia cache in the driver should mean much faster loading (exact time depends on your hardware) updating the drivers will require the cache to be rebuilt but apart from that it should be a one shot deal.

As mentioned earlier in this thread Mesa doesn't have caching support yet so you have a longer load every time but that will go away once Mesa impliment the caching mechanism in the future.

I've seen this before, in Dying Light. Every time I updated the graphics drivers the game would take a couple minutes on the first load.

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Quoting: wolfyrion

Quoting: m2mg2

Quoting: Plintslcho

Quoting: liamdawePrepare a coffee, as the first run takes a few minutes to load everything in. It seems it’s doing some sort of optimization and cache, so it will take about 3-ish minutes to even load enough to get to the Feral Interactive logo screen. This usually only happens once, but in some cases it may happen more often.

When you initially load a saved game at the main menu, it will take an additional 2 or 3 minutes of loading to get in,

Woa, that's an absolute deal breaker. I save and load often and having to wait a couple of minutes to continue playing absolutely breaks the immersion for me.

I'll pass then and continue playing the game on the PS4 instead.

I'm really curious to see the load times on my SSD. The ~10 second load times on Mad Max drives me crazy.

The first time run it takes 3 mins no matter what hardware you have.

It took 3 mins on a raid SSD, 64GB RAM :P

[wolfyrion@w ~]$ sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/md127
/dev/md127:
Timing cached reads: 22046 MB in 2.00 seconds = 11032.97 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 3182 MB in 3.00 seconds = 1060.64 MB/sec

After the first run, between scenes and saves?

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Quoting: Plintslcho

Quoting: liamdawePrepare a coffee, as the first run takes a few minutes to load everything in. It seems it’s doing some sort of optimization and cache, so it will take about 3-ish minutes to even load enough to get to the Feral Interactive logo screen. This usually only happens once, but in some cases it may happen more often.

When you initially load a saved game at the main menu, it will take an additional 2 or 3 minutes of loading to get in,

Woa, that's an absolute deal breaker. I save and load often and having to wait a couple of minutes to continue playing absolutely breaks the immersion for me.

I'll pass then and continue playing the game on the PS4 instead.

I'm really curious to see the load times on my SSD. The ~10 second load times on Mad Max drives me crazy.

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Glad I'll be putting this game on an SSD.

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Quoting: orochikyo"Make of it what you will. I'm not going to put the blame anywhere, as no one really knows apart from Valve, and apparently I'm always wrong according to a few people who think they know better."

Without access to Steam player database, your statements are just an opinion as those "who think they know better" are opinions too. You sound kinda butthurt at that moment, like you like to blame Valve and everyone should be agree with that, there are no one to blame but the same linux distros developers that makes things more complicated that it supposed to be.
The day you dont have to use the damn terminal to install stuff that it supposed to be installed by default, that day youll see Linux numbers to raise slowly instead of staying the same.

I do install Ubuntu, Lubuntu and Mint on my customer computers, saying them that I cant install Windows without a license, most of them are happy with the results, but I know without me installing the stuff they need, Linux are just a bothersome, knowing you have to introduce a complicated command on terminal that actually without internet help you will never know about it, only to make mesa drivers with intel cards on lubuntu or ubuntu, or damn Mint now showing resolutions for 1640x1050 or other resolutions.
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS with its lan options greyed out, then suddenly wifi icon dissapearing...
A regular Linux user will not install SteamOS, a windows user will not too, Steamboxes arent appealing for console players, etc.
So, while the terminal keeps being the most used tool to fix and download most of the stuff on any linux distro, linux will remain being a niche, there is a reason why M$ wanted to kill it with windows ME, a reason that actually any Mac OS doesnt have a terminal since 10 years ago.

You are not authoritative for what is supposed to be installed by default.
By default most distro's come with way more software than Windows
You don't actually have to use a terminal to install or update things anymore (haven't for a long time)
Last time I checked (less than 10 years ago) MAC still had a terminal, so does Windows.

When you leave regular users to install all their software, the vast majority end up with all kinds of malware on their machines. They really shouldn't be installing their own software.

Most of the problems you listed come from the fact that hardware manufacturers don't make sure their products work well in Linux. I don't think that is going to change anytime soon. To assure that all hardware works right someone has to get behind a platform and verify everything, there has to be consistency. Valve may or may not do that in the future with Steam Machines. Their appeal was very limited at first because the game selection was not good, that is changing. I think Steam Machines could still take off, but Valve has to really get behind them. Unfortunately if Valve doesn't push I'm not optimistic about the future for us, I think we will be really lucky if we get the same (or near the same) level of attention as MAC from game publishers/devs.

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Quoting: GuestHaha, Ryan Gordon will be so pissed when he sees this. :) But I think, the days are gone, when 1-2 people can port, these games are huge! (and still Shadow Warrior is awesom)

I think I have games from both companies, they really deserve our prase and money for the job, they are doing. I lost - happily - countless hours with their games.

We should send him and Tim some cookies when we get SFV... Rocket League is great though

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Quoting: swick

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: swickSo much better.

My article was obviously only scratching the surface and touches on different things.

"It's the drivers! And look, we don't deserve good stuff anyway because we're so few people! And do you even notice a difference? With 2 Titan X you can barely notice a difference because our eyes can't see over 30fps anyway."

Whatever.

Quoting: liamdaweThis article compliments what I already said remember.

Pretty sure it doesn't compliments you, or anything you said. Even saying it complemented your article would be a gross overestimation of what your article provides.

Quoting: liamdaweYou just expected something entirely different from my article.

Now you can read minds, too? Oh well, not expecting a total disaster is probably too much asked here.

Liam's points may not be what you wanted, but they were valid. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it isn't accurate. Instead of trashing someone because they didn't say what you wanted, you could take mirv's approach and post your own perspective. Vendors do put much more effort into Windows drivers, yes it does make a difference. Yes developers focus less on our platform because the market is smaller, yes it makes a difference. Yes it is important that we actually get games and that they perform at an acceptable level, even if it is a lower level than other platforms. I'm sure mirv's explanations are valid too even if I don't understand all of it. Both completely valid perspectives, and they don't even contradict each other, imagine that.

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Quoting: zebJust finished to watch the stream. The game looks great and performs well. They have confirmed it uses OpenGL, but one of the most exciting announcements was that they would look at Vulkan implementation first half of next year!

I think Feral shows there is nothing wrong with OpenGL, the main issues are those of implementation. Of course Vulkan is newer and better, but OpenGL does work just fine. Vulkan being closer to DX12 than OpenGL to any DX should reduce some stumbling for developers interested in porting.

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Quoting: QubeUKThis is great news, since moving to Linux i have been unable to play Minecraft due to some Java / Open GL error that I have been unable to resolve. I cant wait to try a Linux launcher and be able to play again.

I had issues at one point with it running on the java runtime, so I always make sure to use the jdk. OpenJDK or the Oracle one, both work. You may also want to increase you java memory allocation, which you can do through the launcher. It may be a video driver, but it could also be that you are mixing 32/64 bitness if your on 64 bit. On Nvidia make sure you have the 32 libs installed. If you have working direct rendering it really shouldn't be a problem. Unless your video card is just super ancient.

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