Just finished No One Lives Forever two days ago and are in the middle of No One Lives Forever 2. Both great games that still holds up very well even though they are far from flawless.

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Quoting: Guestbut it is better than freezing the whole software base for 2 years just to make sure lazy devs can write their code and work without them having to modify it in the future.

i think you didnt understand the issue here.

its not about being an lazy developer, but having to chose between add an new feature and rewrite your program to fix issues caused by thirdy party code.

i dont give a fuck what python version my distro is using, if none of the programs that i run are running the lastest version of python, they dont need the new features to do what they do, they should not upgrade.

but i do give a fuck when i try to run an effect on gimp, and it simply dont work, breaking my workflow from:
"now, i need to aply the effect x, then y, they z, to make the photo montage i need to do for my work"
to: now i need to waste 3 hours figuring out why the effect X dont work anymore, 2 hours fixing it, 3 hours fixing the z effect that broke after i fixed the x effect, and... what are the steps i was going to follow to make my work anyway? i cant even remember it anymore!

that is why we need to keep things working for 2 years, imagine rewrite the entire blender every 2 years, do you REALLY want to put that work upon yourselft?
i'm not saying you gonna need rewrite everything, but good luck figuring out what broke (testing everything to make sure nothing broke) and why it broke (when its not even your fault, but the fault of some thirdy partie)

not to mention games, windows has at least 10 years of backward compatibility and 90% of the marketshare.
imagine convincing developers to port every library that an game rely on to linux, then port the game itself, only to break stuff 2 years later, with our current marketshare?
or imagine convincing players to game on linux, increassing our marketshare, only to then they figure out that they cant play anymore any game that launched 2 years ago, because those game developers didnt bother to update it?

no one will spend 200 millions of dolars to make an game, than rewrite it every 2 years to make sure its still working, they dont do that on windows, years later most of the profit was already made and any unexpected maintaince may not pay itself.
if developers had to rewrite the games every few years to make sure its still working, they wouldnt make games as amibitous as they do, they would have to scale down their games budget to deal with maintaince cost, the entire industry would evolve slower.
and why? so we can play on linux? if windows were like this, or linux where the most used on desktop and worked like this, those games would be console exclusives already, we would lost completely the most open platform to play games (pc) just because we want an open operating system to run on that platform.

Exactly! And even on Windows with their "10 years of backward compatibility" enterprises still spend months of testing their applications on new releases of Windows 10 before they decide to support that new release or not (which e.g is why so many enterprises where still on Windows 7 for so many years).

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Quoting: subIs this targeting dedicated RT hardware or generic compute resources?

That is up to the respective driver to decide, this is just to provide a common API to applications.

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Quoting: 14Just reporting back to say that Dead Space 3 installed and ran fine via the Lutris config. Pretty cool how much stuff works in Linux these days! I thought I said goodbye forever to my Origin games.

Did it work without any problems for you? When I first launched it I experienced constant stutters once per second both in video and audio like the game paused for 100ms every second. Then on the next launch it was all smooth sailing, but unfortunately every other time that I've launched it since then the stuttering have reappeared.

Have not been able to find out what the cause is, have however found many threads on the Internet from Windows users experiencing the same thing back in the day so it's probably the game itself that have some kind of problems.

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: LinasYou don't need Steam at all for this. You could try Lutris which has an installer for Dead Space 3 [External Link].

I just don't want to have to install yet another thing like Lutris, would much prefer to have it all done by Steam. I've got enough tinkering going on by being a full time dev at work :)

I can relate. But still Steam is not the right tool here. Steam manages Proton configurations for the games that it knows. To add a third party non-native application, you would have to create your own Proton prefix manually, just like with regular Wine. You would also do all the tweaking manually, which is not fun. Lutris is exactly the installer you are looking for if you want to avoid messing around with all of that.

Ok, you convinced me. I'm going to try out Lutris.

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Quoting: MaathI wonder why specific game controller hardware needs to be added to SDL. I wish the hardware could provide a "standard" description to the computer indicating the buttons, axis, etc. that it supports, and the computer can provide the user a way to map that into game inputs. I think this is something like what Steam can do for games.

As it is, I think any proprietary game not compiled with SDL 2.0.12 for example will never allow the player to make use of those new controllers.

A game compiled for any 2.0.x version of SDL should be able to link automatically with the 2.0.12 .so if you have it on your system (unless of course they linked statically or this version of SDL is not ABI backwards compatible).

export SDL_DYNAMIC_API=/path/to/libSDL-2.0.so.0

Ryan Gordon thought about the static linkage issue, and internally SDL2 can actually redirect to a dynamic lib, even if statically compiled into the target program.

Ryan is one clever cookie!

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Quoting: Linas

Quoting: F.UltraAny one having any idea how to go about installing Origin in steam? Are one to install it as an external 3d party game and then just launch it and proton will then run on all games installed via Origin or must the game be one of the steam games that comes with Origin?

You don't need Steam at all for this. You could try Lutris which has an installer for Dead Space 3 [External Link].

Although to be honest, with all of the games to choose from, I wouldn't bother spending my money on Origin on a game that may or may not work.

In my case, it's a game I already own from long ago, so I might as well give the Lutris method a shot.

Yeah if you already own it I guess that you don't want to purchase them once more :)

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Quoting: Linas

Quoting: F.UltraAny one having any idea how to go about installing Origin in steam? Are one to install it as an external 3d party game and then just launch it and proton will then run on all games installed via Origin or must the game be one of the steam games that comes with Origin?

You don't need Steam at all for this. You could try Lutris which has an installer for Dead Space 3 [External Link].

Although to be honest, with all of the games to choose from, I wouldn't bother spending my money on Origin on a game that may or may not work.

I just don't want to have to install yet another thing like Lutris, would much prefer to have it all done by Steam. I've got enough tinkering going on by being a full time dev at work :)

The thing with Origin is that both Dead Space 3 and Mass Effect 3, both of which are keen game franchises for me, are Origin exclusive.

And I already have an Origin account due to my daughter wanted to play Sims 4 some years ago.

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Quoting: 14I did not expect the Origin launcher to work via Steam. Wow. The timing is great since I just mentioned to a friend last week how it would be fun to play the Dead Space games somehow. I wonder if I can now.

DS1 and DS2 does not require Origin and have worked fine in Proton since the 3.x days, it's only DS3 that is Origin-exclusive.

Any one having any idea how to go about installing Origin in steam? Are one to install it as an external 3d party game and then just launch it and proton will then run on all games installed via Origin or must the game be one of the steam games that comes with Origin?

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Quoting: MaathI wonder why specific game controller hardware needs to be added to SDL. I wish the hardware could provide a "standard" description to the computer indicating the buttons, axis, etc. that it supports, and the computer can provide the user a way to map that into game inputs. I think this is something like what Steam can do for games.

As it is, I think any proprietary game not compiled with SDL 2.0.12 for example will never allow the player to make use of those new controllers.

A game compiled for any 2.0.x version of SDL should be able to link automatically with the 2.0.12 .so if you have it on your system (unless of course they linked statically or this version of SDL is not ABI backwards compatible).

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