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Quoting: MohandevirI'm really curious to see what the desktop landscape will look like in 5 to 10 years from now.

For sure Win10S and Surface devices is the way of the future in Microsoft's mind. They are really stubborn about the Windows Store and the lock down that comes with it, but what's in it for us PC Gamers? Streaming devices for Xbox Scorpio? Is this what they are thinking? Is this Microsoft's vision of the post traditional desktop era?

If that's the case, Valve needs SteamOS more than ever.

Yeah, here's my prediction of MS's idea for desktop:
1. Everyone uses Windows 10
2. Everyone uses all x32 and x64 software and mobile software as long as it's from our store (we get money for that)
3. Every company pays us to have their software on our store and we take a nice part of their profit
4. We spy on all our fellow users and use the data collected to make us more money
5. We crush our biggest concurrents by not allowing them to have software on our store like gaming - Valve, GOG, EA, Blizzard, Ubisoft and all their native clients, office department and similar

Forgot to add that they will also exploit their user base by forcing advertisements onto their systems. Pay Microsoft X amount of $$ and we can push a download link to your app on users startmenu and through the OS. Windows 10 is more an advertisement platform than an operating system.

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Quoting: m0nt3It is not just ArsTechnica. Some of the other tech forums I check out have a strong bias against it and always have the same silly arguments of market share, poor performance, blah blah (I usually get this when bring up the merits of vulkan and how it will help with porting games to linux).

The gaming world is very fickle. Gamers are easily offended and extremely tribal (Sony vs MS, Console vs PC, Android vs iPhone, etc.). Some people will be negative toward Linux because it is just another "opponent" in their narrow world view. I have learned not to worry too much about such people.

However, Ars Technica should know better - they strive to be a cut above other tech media. As an example of tribalism, reading Mark Walton's articles about Ryzen are embarrassing since they headline single-threaded gaming performance. I have run Intel chips for a number of years, but it does no-one any service to review things unfairly.

For any review, an author can decide to focus on something that they don't like. If that becomes the central to the review, everything else gets clouded over (eg. Ron Amadeo and plastic phone backs). For linux gaming, framerate is the nitpick that derails every review. Yes, it is a factor, but not really as important as everyone makes it out to be.

I read Ars years ago, but have honestly forgot about them. They used to have very detailed articles, going to great detail describing the CPU and GPU architectures worked. Sure, framerates aren't up to windows level. But I am currently playing through Deus Ex Mankind Divided and it is perfectly playable on high settings, for me, the benefit of not running Windows is greater than higher framerate. I am in the 1% of the 1% for being a linux gamer who runs a complete AMD system. I usually get attacked for that too.

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Quoting: NyamiouI hope they could release an AMD based Steam Machine but they also have to redo their marketing else they will have a backlash from corrupt gaming journalists (ArsTechnica and Polygon) again and they won't be able to do anything.

I like Ars Technica in general, but it does frustrate me that their attitude toward linux gaming is very negative. However, I really don't think it is "corrupt". Just some unconscious bias from two of their main writers.

I do agree that Valve has to make some real effort toward marketing, though. Their SteamOS engineering team might be solid, but the public corporate attitude is embarrassing.

It is not just ArsTechnica. Some of the other tech forums I check out have a strong bias against it and always have the same silly arguments of market share, poor performance, blah blah (I usually get this when bring up the merits of vulkan and how it will help with porting games to linux). Then I slap them with all the porters and have to explain how all that works. They always comment on it without keeping up to date with what all is going on with linux gaming. I ditched windows over a year ago completely and couldn't be happier.

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Quoting: AnxiousInfusionIMO AMD should have just adopted Mesa as their official driver like Intel have. We don't need the graphics driver equivalent to MIR vs Wayland vs X.

The have, AMDGPU-PRO is just that, for the PRO cards like firegl. It is not meant to be used for gaming, that is what AMDGPU is for. This is according to bridgman @ phoronix, who is an AMD opensource driver dev.

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What is the performance like for those that have tried it? I seem to get around 15-30FPS on low settings at 1080.

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I am so excited this is working! Hopefully performance will improve quickly. I will be picking up a second copy when it performs well, so the wife and I can play.

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Quoting: PJ

Quoting: liamdaweInteresting, did you email Feral support? DOW2 is one Linux title I've never had an issue with loading.

yeah, and it seems they gave up after a while. Initially they suggested trying a supported distro (I think Ubuntu 16.04), but that didn't help at all. The game launches, but just after the mission loads it hangs up (no crash, thus no crash report).
But to give them a bit of credit I humbly admit my workstation is a bit less common setup - dual Xeon workstation I use for rendering and my 3d modelling.
I'd still love to play DoW2, but at this time I don't have my hopes up.

The only thing I could try in a similar circumstance was disable bits & pieces of audio (for me it was speech). Same symptom: just after the first mission loads, it crashes. I didn't think it'd be a problem for a supported distro, but it's worth a try.

Did you try using taskset to set what cores were allocated to the game? In case it doesn't like two physical cpu's.

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Quoting: m0nt3On mediumish settings I have not seen below 49. However I am not very far in, just got to the apartment.

Thanks!
I have a reasonable frame rate, but severe dips from time to time...
Did you take a look at CPU (and GPU) usage?

I have the youtube video posted of brief gameplay, excuse my terribleness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeAhsAjfPK4 [External Link]

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: m0nt3On mediumish settings I have not seen below 49. However I am not very far in, just got to the apartment.

Thanks!
I have a reasonable frame rate, but severe dips from time to time...
Did you take a look at CPU (and GPU) usage?

I did not, but I will records some gameplay and post it on my youtube channel with gallium hud enabled. Although, OBS usually causes a bit of a hit.

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Quoting: EikeAnybody ran Deus Ex: Mankind Devided on an AMD Octacore?
My i3570k and GTX 780 are struggling hard on this one...

On mediumish settings I have not seen below 49. However I am not very far in, just got to the apartment.

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