Should I try to run games with Steam Linux Runtime instead of proton ? SLR is the default now. If it's based on containers how would that work if no one bothered making a container image for non whitelisted games ?

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I'm not confused on how to download a wine version, I'm confused on which I should download to suit my needs and what do they mean. It needs wine package descriptions and tags, as well as a filter feature.

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DedaleEspecially for us EU folks. It won't be at 675 € !

Yes, that's the current price of the few 3900X remaining. It probably won't be available before 2020 either.

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QuoteWe are focusing on meeting the strong demand for our 3rd generation AMD Ryzen processors in the market

Good. I'm still waiting for my 3900x

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ShmerlHm, according to this. EU already allowed it before. So what's new in this ruling?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine#Application_to_digital_copies

QuoteIn Europe, the European Court of Justice ruled, on July 3, 2012, that it is indeed permissible to resell software licenses even if the digital good has been downloaded directly from the Internet, and that the first sale doctrine applied whenever software was originally sold to a customer for an unlimited amount of time, as such sale involves a transfer of ownership, thus prohibiting any software maker from preventing the resale of their software by any of their legitimate owners.[5][6][7] The court requires that the previous owner must no longer be able to use the licensed software after the resale, but finds that the practical difficulties in enforcing this clause should not be an obstacle to authorizing resale, as they are also present for software which can be installed from physical supports, where the first-sale doctrine is in force.[8][9] The ruling applies to the European Union, but could indirectly find its way to North America; moreover the situation could entice publishers to offer platforms for a secondary market.

It's not "new" because it's not a new law, it's a ruling. Valve's EULA contains illegal clauses, the ruling confirms it.

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Avehicle7887DRM-Free stores would have to stop selling games to french customers otherwise they risk a serious issue.

I don't see how it affects them at all.

Avehicle7887This is a very bad call, and it shows clearly that the people making these decisions have no clue about games and of the challenges devs face every day. They're just paper pushers who didn't think of the consequences, which outweigh the benefits here.

Being able to resell what you own used to be possible. What's so horrible about getting that right back ?

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fagnerlnIf steam doesn't allow the user resell games from their library, is up to the user agree with it.

The users already voiced their opinion through the EU parliament : it is illegal to prevent a user from reselling.

If steam doesn't want to allow user to resell game, it can leave the EU market.

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chancho_zombiewell you can sell your games ... you could sell all your account.

Pretty sure that's currently prohibited and can get the account banned if Valve found out.

Yes that's part of the ruling, tying the game to the account (and every services) is illegal. The game should be resellable by itself.

MalNedless to say that releasing an untested and badly optimized game would quickly become a suicidal move and nobody would do it.

How horrible.

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KimyrielleI can understand some of the points made in the OP, but this doesn't change the fact that preventing people from re-selling goods they legally BOUGHT is fundamentally wrong. It's just businesses abusing technology (DRM in this case) to enforce despicable business practices that wouldn't stand for 5 mins in court if we were talking about physical goods. Why it took the courts so long to toss out that ridiculous claim that buying games on Steam would be a "subscription" when it's clearly not, is beyond me.

Yes. Steam and other stores, and major publishers use the free market to their advantage (tax avoidance), but when it's our turn to profit from it, they set fences up to restrict our rights (zoning inside EU, fighting east european key resellers, ...). They've been using DRM to prevent us from reselling for more than a decade now, there's no reason to accept it.

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subWhy doesn't this automatically affect other digital game stores in France immediately?
Someone hast to go to court against Epic, GOG, ... separately, one by one?

Hard to believe, as the concepts of the stores are basically the same, when it comes to DRM and not being able to resell the purchases made.

Only Valve was being sued for its EULA, but the ruling makes it clear for other stores that they have to change theirs, as anyone can use this judgment against them.

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QuoteReported by the French website Next Inpact, the French consumers group UFC Que Choisir had a victory against Valve as French courts have ruled against them on the topic of reselling digital content. From what I've read and tried to understand, the courts have basically said that when you buy something on Steam it is indeed a proper purchase and not a subscription.

Valve has been ordered to pay damages at €20K euros plus €10K euros to cover some costs. On top of that, they will also have to publish the judgement on Steam's home page (presumably only for users in France) and for it to remain visible for three months. If they don't, they will get a fine for each day of €3K. To Valve though, that's likely pocket change. The bigger issue though, is how other countries in the EU could follow it.

It's important to note that the ruling is based on EU laws (EU Copyright Directive , EU Computer Programs Directive and past ruling from EU court : UsedSoft ECJ ruling).

Also important is it's probably not final, as Valve is likely to appeal.

Implications are potentially huge, but more than welcome. We have been stripped off our right to resell for a long time now.

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