Every new Civ version goes through this cycle:

- Players scream because the release is taking too long
- Devs finally release game
- Everyone biatches about the bugs / ui changes / inept AI behaviors
- Bugs get patched, AI improves, or mods are created to work around what upsets players about the game design
- 6 months - 12 Months later: GREATEST GAME, EVER

Next version?
- Rinse, lather, repeat

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Quoting: officerniceMan... I still suck so bad at this game (even after watching guides) but it is so fascinating to play. It's really hard to come by someone friendly and helping in it... xD

Are there any Linux guilds in EU that anybody would recommend?

I'm in the same boat I play Junglers so I can stay out of the way but tactically I suck once real battle is needed and end up feeding if I even try, or standing off to the side and feel like I'm not contributing :/

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Nice!I played the early beta (I think announced here) and really enjoyed it. The UI felt a little too lonely and sparse at the beginning (possibly intentional), but the UI seems to have been augmented nicely now. I'll have to give it a fresh play when it's ready!

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Quoting: GuestItchIO the place were i go once a week for bizarre games

I fire up itch.io every so often just to see what I've missed, but it's 95% "WTF?" even when I find a linux-supported game :)

It's not much a of trade-off, but the upside of narrow linux gaming support in the long run, is the lack of porting of all the "spam" games.

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The first release of Orwell was actually really good and this was not normally my style of game but the writing was interesting and plotline not as predictable as I'd feared. I'll probably grab this one.

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Quoting: Mountain ManIf that's the reason they've abandoned Linux then that seems rather petty.

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Quoting: CSharpbut I think that most developers would recognize that we're the better bunch overall.

I will disagree here. I don't think we're better than any community. Just like all other gaming communities, we have a bunch of trolls, bile spewers and so on. Part of the problem is that we're smaller, all of our communities are smaller and so the hate ends up cutting through and gets seen more than it would in a larger community.

We aren't better than others, that's just not looking outside the circle there.

Still, that's my opinion, as your post is yours and opinions are welcome here :)

So I'm not crazy about the haterade linux zealots can foist on game devs and their ports, but there's also the very real chance that Windows game devs could, in future scenarios, just "spin" crappy linux ports out with no regard to whether they're buggy or not. Later, they will fall back on poor linux adoption metrics and statistics, and falsely claim the linux market is sh*te and not make any effort to produce a good game experience.

Just because they ported a popular game to a technical standard doesn't mean they used the same QA standards they used to chase that sweet, sweet windows market share.

I *am* personally grateful when a gaming house ports a AAA title but porting a trash, unplayable version of that title is not something we should just accept.

We paid $ for the same title, and we should get the same quality. I bought witcher 2 and kept attempting to reload and replay for almost 14 months off and on, and it was just horrible, even as I progressively bought better video cards. Other games got better with the better video cards, Witcher still sucked. Period.

Takeaways:

We SHOULD report bugs with technical data and not flamewars.

We should try to be productive in our criticisms, and not complete gits.

We should expect better QA if other platforms have high QA standards.

We are a small market, but if we are sold a product for our platform, we should expect it to work for the $ we paid for it.

We're consumers FIRST, the devs benefited from our $. We should have something usable for our investment.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeI finally gave in to get Total Warhammer while it was on sale, but I think we all need to start making a stand and not give into this stupid DLC crap.

I kinda feel like I made that mistake with Company Of Heroes 2 and while the core game is awesome, as a newb to it I bought one of the British add-ons only to find out it was a very minimal, a number of components and scenarios (I think) are separate for purchase. Mostly my ignorance, but I just won't trust myself to make those purchases again. I got pretty frustrated and haven't played the game since, that aspect was such a turn off.

With Civ 5 I find myself playing the mods almost exclusively. I haven't gotten in to playing scenarios yet but that will be next, as long as Firaxis doesn't move to the model I've seen with company of heroes.

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So is this solid? As in, pre-order on Steam solid, or should I still wait so that money goes to demonstrate linux love & sales metrics? I think I know the answer, but linux newbs might need to hear this, too.

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Is there a way to play a demo version of this without overcommiting to minimum $30 (Final beta "key" cost or something) not because I'm cheap, I'm not (my steam expenditures can attest), I'm just a crappy MMO player at best and not sure it would be a good fit for me. I too like PvE games, not sure if PvP games will be my bag. There any way to explore this game without potential buyers remorse? I'll head over to youtube of course, but that's not all there is to testing out the likability of a game. Thanks!

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I like this approach, transparency for the fans, "this is why there's a delay" and what the circumstances are. Concrete language. I can be patient for a game like this with devs who are straightforward, no stringing along the support base. :D

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