Well, at least they are open and communicative :) I admire developers like that... at least they honestly say what is going on!

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It seemed to be running awesomely on worse card then my GTX 970 so I guess they really are getting better and better with quality every new port :D And they do so many of them... They are awesome

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Quoting: HalKadoWaiting for Vulkan to become stable and widely available makes sense, and its encouraging to see the dev's playing the long game rather then rushing something out. Shows some long term commitment and planning.

That is true but they could as well hurry up a bit just to show developers again that they are serious :D But ofc this is not how open-source works... It will catch up eventually and when it does proprietary shit will be a joke for game devs :)

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Quoting: tmtvlAnyway, it probably is Kubuntu, because the *buntus are still considered to be the golden standard, unfortunately.

It's still better to have *a* golden standard than no at all. At least game devs have a fixed system to test against. Otherwise they may have been scared off by the excessive amount of choice.

Yup, Ubuntu and Valve are doing that. And these days all those arguments "We don't want to write a game or an app for 1000 distros", well just do it for Ubuntu and it will eventually get everywhere around the Linux, we all know that the core of OS is the same and that it all works everywhere :D It's great to have a standard to avoid excuses like that...

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Quoting: killyouSo this means all of their hardware products are successful except for the most important one - Steam Machines. Oh irony *staring at the window waiting for Civ VI for Linux announcement*.

There were just too many issues with drivers when Valve started the whole linux and SteamOS thing... They did however put pressure on the manufacturers so now we have comparable graphics drivers to Windows. The second problem was OpenGL that was never really meant for game producing and now Vulkan is here... It was the right moment to start the revolution but it was obvious that it would take time. Now things are slowly getting there comparable to Windows performances and similar possibilities for devs and they will eventually start pushing Linux gaming again I believe. With their help and if there were a few more companies like them and FeralInteractive and doing some Wine wrappers for all games bellow DX9 that don't yet have native linux versions gamers could be brought to Linux very quickly.

I do hope that we will be getting some love from aspyr again with the new borderlands and Civ VI :)

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Valve actually embraces the usage of linux desktops, SteamOS is just their solution for people who want to be always on the couch and have plug and play experience... It's no surprise that they used a normal distro :)

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Quoting: GoLBuzzkillI didnt say that and I didnt say anything wrong, why are you defending them?

All that stuff you wrote about Valve is irrelevant to the remark about the 30%. In fact, only one opinion matters, that of the devs that use. And from the few bits I've heard directly from actual developers, they're actually quite pleased with Steam. It's not just the store, there is whole backend that manages versions, alpha and beta branches, and who knows what. If devs stop trying to do all that stuff by themselves because the cost is too much, then Valve must be doing something right.

Steam is a great platform for both gamers and developers, yeah they have some generic DRM but having all your games from one launcher, even allowing you to add non-steam games is just great place to store them all, also having nice big picture mode for couch gaming. Not to mention the great number of controllers supported and great controller profile settings and allowing user profiles... It's not a coincidence that majority of gamers use Steam, it's awesome! Anyone who says anything different is likely very subjective and has probably had some specific issue or problem with steam.

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Quoting: meggermanLike any relationship there are ups and downs. Linux gamers were starting to reach a low place with Valve on Linux in recent months. They may have been silent but once again brought us flowers & chocolates. Even though Gabe eats 30% of those chocolates I don't think that makes them a bad, after all a relationship is about sharing.

That's just Valve's way of doing things, promising nothing and bringig a lot when the time comes... Others just keep promising things and then back away like nothing happened! I think that we, Linux gamers are so paranoid because if we don't hear from Valve for some time we start thinking that they forgot about us like majority of developers do! However it never happened to be the case, Valve is awesome! :)

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Quoting: ElectricPrismIt's a avalanche, the deathball has already started to roll downhill and it's just gonna pickup speed and get bigger.

Gaming on a PC is the logical future as the OS is flexible, it's also logical that gaming will gravitate toward a platform where publishers don't have to jump through hoops in a walled garden controlled by control freaks who hold all the keys and can bully any % cut they want out of 3rd party sales.

Valve may control SteamOS, but on Linux -- publishers are truly free of any one entity controlling and ruining everything.

All controllers use common technology, I played Rocket League on Linux on my PS4 controller via bluetooth this week and it was sweet, XBONE, X360, PS3 Controller, Wii Pro Controller and more all work on SteamOS.

Expecting Steam Machines to be a overnight home-run is a fantasy created by Linux Advocates excited about Games on Linux taking off.

High Expectations Precede Disappointment.

Valve's approach to K/Oing PS4, XBONE, Wii is to gradually make their offering more appealing than their competitors - and touting 2500 games + Something like 600-1100 in the works, superior GL with Vulkan, etc... will win out in the long run.

AMDGPU and MESA also achieving a high level of maturity at this time will also make games more stable and steam machine costs drop as the new Polaris APU lowers costs.

It's a matter of time.

Yeah I really hope that this is the case. Valve has "used" linux to show MS not to try playing their exclusive games and closing things even down and proven them that Valve & Steam as well as free gaming can survive just fine without MS's blessing which is very important. If they know that they don't have the ultimate power over developers, gaming and Valve they cannot even think about closing things down to their stupid Windows store which they would have probably done already if Valve didn't start the revolution back in 2013 MS would have gone a lot further by now, at least that's my opinion. But right now they are in the fight for survival over users of Windows because people openly hate Windows 10 for many reasons and gaming is becoming more of a reality on Linux... Vulkan which competes directly to DX12 and Open VR that competes with proprietary counterparts on Windows... Microsoft has been losing their huge edge they had with Windows 7 in last few years and as you say if the snowballing effect continues it might even get a huge lead over DX12 and closed proprietary ****.

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Great to hear that AMD brothers are getting better with driver support as well! As I said a lot of great stuff happening to linux lately :)

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