Quoting: AnxiousInfusionFair enough, given that Linux is the operating system of choice for the sciences.

Scientist, NASA, Google, space stations, servers, Disney's pixar software they all run linux :D

It's obvious choice if you need a good and reliable OS, imagine a Win7 that would break after 6 months on the space station :D

Only on desktop is Microsoft holding their monopoly.

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Quoting: Nel

Quoting: MaCroX95If we have regulation laws of privacy protection and such it's even better, there were rumors about France suing MS for these privacy concerns but never heard of that anymore in the Media...

It's still in progress. They had 3 months to make adjustments in Windows 10, so until end of october, this month. After that, there is a financial penalty: 150'000€ (lool... Microsoft... 150'000€...)

More seriously, our CNIL [External Link] can't do much against Microsoft. They count on a new european directive (General Data Protection Regulation [External Link] to put more pressure and, above all, a supposed real pressure on GAFAM (Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft), but it will only enter into application in may 2018... Microsoft have plenty of time to do what they want, and in the end they have good friends among our politicians, like our past and present presidents, if, by accident, they are in a real difficult position.

Here is a french article explaining this in every details:
Windows 10 : pourquoi la CNIL met en demeure Microsoft [External Link]
Google translate doesn't seem to work, but if you copy/paste the whole text, translation is not bad.

Thx for the info, we are on our own then :) charging MS for 150 000€ is like charging me for 1,5€... More like a symbolic penalty :D I just hate the way how they get away with everything.

Few days ago I went to buy a laptop for my neighbour and it was nearly impossible to find one without having win10 preinstalled. After I've found one it was way better for the price, installed Ubuntu for my neighbour and it's fast, responsive and will probably be reliable...

We are really the ones who must help people see hoe blinding can Microsoft's marketing be!

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: cxphergmailcomActually, every Linux user I know and all of you here are obviously gamers. It think it's a gross assumption that many aren't.

Biggest thread on most game discussions on Steam are Linux port requests.

You mean, people on GamingForLinux and Steam are gamers? Really? Wow.

My wife and my mother-in-law are using Linux but are not gamers.

That was exactly my point... My father, grandma, grandfather, 2 neighbours they use linux but aren't gamers... I'm the only one that is...

And there is estimated 80+ milion Linux users worldwide... if cxphergmailcom's assumption was right and every Linux user was also a gamer we would be quite big community on Steam, not 1-2% of the marketshare...

Gamers are a minority on both Windows and Linux.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: MaCroX95they have the right to DRM it and control our computers and spy on us if we accept their EULA

Luckily this isn't quite as clear cut in the EU at least. There are citizen's rights and protections we cannot give away by signing an EULA any more than we could sell ourselves into slavery. No agreement overrides law, and no private company or individual can dictate law. (Unless they've got the money I guess. :><: Fsck the legalized corruption we call lobbying.)

Thanks for pointing that out, I'm not really sure how it is here in EU, but I like to assume usually that EULA is your contract that binds you to MS or any other country. If we have regulation laws of privacy protection and such it's even better, there were rumors about France suing MS for these privacy concerns but never heard of that anymore in the Media...

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@m2mg2

I agree with you, DRM is not a problem, it's their game and they have the right to make it DRM, Windows are Microsoft's OS and they have the right to DRM it and control our computers and spy on us if we accept their EULA so it's on us to say NO to those kinds of practices... If people don't get away from them they will just keep getting worse, however legally they have the right to do it if you accept their EULA... So if I would want to use Windows I would be forced to accept their EULA and DRM and same is with games... you don't need to buy games but if you want to buy and play a game that belongs to the company you need to accept their EULA and DRM so I don't see a problem here... it's better to have DRM only on the game that you play rather than the OS that u use and also games that you play on :)

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@truebluewoo

I'm also wondering because data is much different comparing different sites on Linux marketshare... Some say that it's way over 3% and somewhere they say it's 1%... I think that this is also one kind of a strategy to keep people on dominant platform and prevent them from migrating (because of mindset: oh, noone uses Linux, there is no support there...), however I think that this is far from the truth. Linux proves with forums and active community that it's completely viable platform for doing same kinds of things (of course different way) and does majority of them better... Gaming of course is not the case, if I was unbiased and had to choose only for performance Windows 7 would curently be the obvious option, however I do believe that every computer that runs linux counts and that eventually we will prove that our community can stand up against Mac so there would be again 3 major platforms as they were 15 years ago... Strangely all developers back then really considered linux as a platform however today they are way more ignorant...

I agree on the Valve part, however I don't think that they will back off with their Linux plan... Valve has primarily opened a whole new gaming platform to block crazy ideas from Microsoft of overtaking the gaming part of computing as they did with pretty much everything else (except the browser, edge still sucks :D) and for the platform so young it has quite a lot of availible games, performance issues will be irrelevant after a few years when we all upgrade our rigs and these games will run extremely well. I don't know why Valve doesn't ban the new exclusive titles like if you want to have a game availible on Steam platform it needs to be cross-platform... It might sound rough to developers but in fact it is not. Steam has a huge community and every gamer would agree with such an attitude from valve. And community and numbers are ones that would "force" big companies to make cross-platorm games from the ground up. And they could have easily done that because with mindset that is present now in developers' heads (except Feral, Aspyr, Valve, Croteam...) I don't think we'll ever see Day 1 AAA releases on Linux sadly...

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: MaCroX95Developers don't give a shit about us, all they care about is money...

Developers are humans, too.
(I remember a company that hung up a poster with the best Linux user thank quotes - don't remember which one it was.)

@Eike I agree, some developers are really great and like openness and challenges as well as care for their consumers, but I wish that more developers were like that and knew that some people just hate having Windows install installed on their PC because of many reasons, but would still love to pay to play their games... However it really hurts my eyes when I see how many games already support DX12 and on how many games support is coming soon, however they seem to be adopting Vulkan only for android devices eventhough there are a lot of engines that already support Vulkan... the direction that Vulkan adoption is going with developers doesn't look really promising at this point...

Quoting: cxphergmailcomActually, it's more than doubled. We're sitting at 2.21% atm for Linux usage. I follow the stats on other sites. Steam stats are not accurate.

@cxphergmailcom Yeah, Linux marketshare as a whole has grown much in the last year, but not many of Linux users are actually gamers... and for the gamer part it's somewhere from 1-2% IMHO on steam...

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Quoting: truebluewooI'm quite disappointed, I'm guessing aspyr was hoping steamos would be in a better state than it is right now, with a bigger market share.

There are other difficulties as well, the Linux opengl stack is actively being developed and has moved on to supporting Vulkan. Apple have intentionally stopped supporting openGL and gone to their own proprietary metal api.

Aspyr's loyalty has always been Mac and mac has around 5% market share, if SteamOS had taken off, then they would be porting regardless of how many difficulties they would have to overcome, or fireaxis would have ported directly. Right now to fully support Linux they would need to utilise the latest openGL specs, which they cant do as apple doesn't support it.

We are tiny, with just 1% market share and unfortunately some of us have become a bit self-entitled. We were hungry for every game port and thankful for any decent port, now there are talks of boycotts for any company that doesn't meet our expectations.

I wish people would just chill out, being kind and nice to every developer or porter is better than turning nasty if we dont get our own way. I think the saying goes you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar ( http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/You+can+catch+more+flies+with+honey+than+with+vinegar) [External Link]

Ultimately when we are a nice polite community, developers will be more open with us, if we treat them with respect they will treat us with respect. Stop demanding, stop rioting, chill out, be polite approach the developers with a polite and respectful attitude. I am forever grateful for Aspyr porting civ 5, its the game I've played the most on steam since it came to Linux, Both Aspyr and Feral try hard and there really isn't much reward for them porting, having to deal with a spoilt angry community will drive them away.

Our market share isn't making them super rich, but they still port games. I hope some day SteamOs does take off and I hope Linux can break free from the shackles imposed by companies like Apple and Microsoft and be able to stand on its own two feet with its own respectable market share, but for now I am always grateful to any games company or studio taking the time out to try and do a respectable port.

Ultimately though I am pissed with Valve, they just Half-Ass everything, seriously no new games in years, their steamos support has been shite, steamos boxes are far too overpriced, they jump onto vr don't even provide steamos support and vr on pc is just too expensive and by all accounts its flopped.

They are all over the shop and they are the only ones that can actually make a dent / make a difference. If they announced left for dead 3 tomorrow, using vulkan, with stellar performance on SteamOS, with a 3 month timed exclusivity for SteamOS, it would dramatically impact linux gaming, but they wont do it, they dont even need to have timed exclusivity they just need to bring out new AAA games with SteamOS as a 1st party citizen with stellar performance, something to really show off what SteamOS and by extension Linux is capable of.

Look at it this way, can you blame Aspyr or any games company for having waning Linux aspirations, when the company that initially headed up this charge, has been half-assing support as much as valve has recently for steamos ? What new feature in SteamOS have you seen that has made you think, yeah Valve are definitely still trying ?

Developers don't give a shit about us, all they care about is money... Riot games is definite proof of that (huge number of rioters use linux on a daily basis, but refuse to support it because of financial concerns...) so there is no good reason in being nice to someone who gives up on porting games to SteamOS as soon as he sees that there is no huge profit... Linux has never been about profit, it's about making better world software wise and if developers built their games from the ground up for cross-platform they would have no problems providing support for all of them, but they just don't care. We need more companies like Feral and Valve, companies who know that they won't make too much money on the short-run but will make computing and gaming better on the long run...

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Quoting: ExpalphalogI never would have deleted my Windows Partition if I'd known that Civ V might be the last Civ game that I get to play.

I think that we should just ignore games and publishers that have no intention to provide cross-platform games, there is no future in forcing users to use certain OSs for playing certain games, I've plenty of games that are not supported on Linux and lately I'm just like OK, I buy and support only cross-platform developers and publishers, I've seen that a lot of Windows users do that as well, I've talked to a guy in Youtube comment section who said that he still uses Windows because of performance issues (hardware) but plans to switch on long-run and is constantly buying only games that he will be able to play on Linux. There is no point in supporting someone if he completely ignores you or has no intention to support you because you don't use certain OS.

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Quoting: LukeNukemThis game is well worth paying the full price for it.

I bought it yesterday and damn it's a great game, I agree with you it's worth way more than 6€ :D I will finish it in shortest time possible, there's a lot anticipated games coming out in next 2 months, will make sure to buy them for the full price to support Feral!

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