Quoting: scaine

Quoting: MaCroX95

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: Mountain ManIf that's the reason they've abandoned Linux then that seems rather petty.

Not even close to the level of pettiness shown by that vocal chunk that spewed forth a wall of toxicity towards those who were trying to help us out.

That's just the background noise you have to put up with when doing business.

Again, threats of violence are not "background noise". Can't believe so many people are trying to justify this.

Just imagine if you provided a physical service on the street - pretzels, shoe shine, whatever - and on the one hand, you have a group of people literally 10 feet away shouting that you should just fucking die because your service, in their opinion, is sub standard. Then on the other hand, a second group of people standing 5 feet away telling you to grow a thicker skin, just ignore those guys, pfff, just background noise.

Yeah, sure. This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever experienced on the internet. And, given Reddit, or the Steam Forums, that's really saying something.

And who would ultimately be wrong? People who judge you for not doing your job well or not keeping your promise or people who defend you for no reason, only to look moral? I mean sure, we should behave like people and not make threats and justify barbaric behavior but the answer isn't all that simple... I've seen so many polite critiques on internet where they diss every part of some games and yet they do come out and in some cases sell very well... it's just that we're small market and that's why we got the game cancelled. Even if we were the nicest people in the world when tw2 came out, tw3 would still probably get cancelled when they saw that SteamOS isn't going anywhere.

And I'm NOT justifying the threats to jaycee and his coworkers...

You're over-complicating this. Critique all you want. When you threaten me or my family because of some fucked up justification that my work doesn't meet your standard, you've crossed a line.

You say that we should behave like people, not make threats... but then claim the answer isn't that simple? Wrong. It's very, very simple.

No sir :) I said that the behavior is barbaric and is not justified anyhow. I just said that eventhough the backlash was there they can't justify not porting the game for the whole community as if we were all responsible for the backlash. My point was just that we're small and nobody cares about us. We got tw2 because of the hype for SteamOS and tw3 was announced in that hype as well. Later when they've seen how it turned out they just cancelled it.

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Quoting: scaine

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: Mountain ManIf that's the reason they've abandoned Linux then that seems rather petty.

Not even close to the level of pettiness shown by that vocal chunk that spewed forth a wall of toxicity towards those who were trying to help us out.

That's just the background noise you have to put up with when doing business.

Again, threats of violence are not "background noise". Can't believe so many people are trying to justify this.

Just imagine if you provided a physical service on the street - pretzels, shoe shine, whatever - and on the one hand, you have a group of people literally 10 feet away shouting that you should just fucking die because your service, in their opinion, is sub standard. Then on the other hand, a second group of people standing 5 feet away telling you to grow a thicker skin, just ignore those guys, pfff, just background noise.

Yeah, sure. This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever experienced on the internet. And, given Reddit, or the Steam Forums, that's really saying something.

And who would ultimately be wrong? People who judge you for not doing your job well or not keeping your promise or people who defend you for no reason, only to look moral? I mean sure, we should behave like people and not make threats and justify barbaric behavior but the answer isn't all that simple... I've seen so many polite critiques on internet where they diss every part of some games and yet they do come out and in some cases sell very well... it's just that we're small market and that's why we got the game cancelled. Even if we were the nicest people in the world when tw2 came out, tw3 would still probably get cancelled when they saw that SteamOS isn't going anywhere.

And I'm NOT justifying the threats to jaycee and his coworkers...

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Quoting: BeamboomThere's apparently quite a few crackheads in this community, sadly.

To those of you who call this bullshit since they didn't stop releasing for Windows, you must now step away from the keyboard, take a nap, and when rested sit down and ponder a bit why that claim is the most stupid thing you've said so far this summer.
I won't even explain why it is so. If you can't figure that out, Internet is not for you.

And who certifies you sir to judge for whom the internet is or isn't :D you can express your opinion just like anybody else can, that's all.

I still believe there's much more to it than just the flaming of the community. It seems very naive to believe that community's whining is the only reason why they would give up the entire already predicted development, very likely that finances and costs are involved...

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Eventhough Jayce got personally offended in the backlash I can understand his emotions and why he thinks that CDPR and VP cancelled the port, but I can't share the opinion in this case.

CDPR was hoping that SteamOS would evolve and adopt very well and when they saw that valve did very poor with these machines they decided not to produce the game for 2% of the PC market from which not everyone will buy the game. Whining of the community wasn't a huge factor I believe.

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Quoting: MaCroX95Than the cancelling of the port was more of an financial decision?

Why are you bringing VP into it at all ? I've given my personal - PERSONAL - opinion as to why CDPR cancelled the Witcher 3 port. VP haven't said any thing at all. I haven't spoken on behalf of VP.

Stop trying to shit stir.

I'm not accusing VP sir, sorry if it seems this way, I was refering to whoever was in charge of the withdrawal of the port. And thanks for the answers :)

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Quoting: MaCroX95It is really insulting to me that it seems that VP accuses us of the whole scandal even though 95% of the community didn't cooperate in the backlash... I don't think it's exactly fair not to keep the promises but we're used to canceling of majority of great games that are supposed to come to linux so no big deal :)

VP haven't accused you or the Linux community of anything...

Than the cancelling of the port was more of a financial decision?

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Quoting: MohandevirMy memory is blurred but I remember reading that TW2 was a first try for the eon wrapper and that TW2 was a "work in progress".

It was our first Linux release.

Quoting: MohandevirI always wondered why VP didn't released TW2 Linux as an open beta? Wouldn't it have "lessened" the backlash?

Not up to VP. Most publishers would never agree to an open beta, certainly not before a product's main release.

It is really insulting to me that it seems that VP accuses us of the whole scandal eventhough 95% of the community didn't cooperate in the backlash... I don't think it's exactly fair not to keep the promises but we're used to canceling of majority of great games that are supposed to come to linux so no big deal :)

And update: I truly din't know how many users there were in the backlash, but no matter what they don't represent our whole community...

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Quoting: MaCroX95So we get a great promise of a game and than because of a few personal insults from our trolls make them cancel them? How is that not treting our community as garbage...

No, I'm not saying any of this is a valid reason for cancelling their Linux efforts. All I'm saying that such attacks are unacceptable.

Yeah I completely agree, I'm a very patient man, it's just that I think that they're trying to actually make us feel bad about ourselves eventhough it's not only us to blame for the whole situation. They refuse to take any responsibility at all for the cancelling of promised ports and yet they try to make US feel bad because a few people insulted them :/

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Quoting: MaCroX95And there is nothing wrong in attacking a bad product. If we're 2% of the market it still doesn't mean that we need to be treated like gatbage and yet be blamed for not accepting the poor port that we paid money for. It's really childish of them how they try to actually make us feel bad about ourselves.

First of all, we weren't treated like garbage. Developers actually worked on fixing bugs. And secondly, no way it justifies any attacks. Provide constructive criticism, not hatred.

So we get a great promise of a game and than because of a few personal insults from our trolls make them cancel them? How is that not treting our community as garbage...

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Quoting: GuestGuys, you are all missing the point. I am not talking about attacking a poor product. I am talking about PERSONAL attacks.

A few trolls cannot represent the whole community that anticipates their games. Geting upset about 5 people that called you names and then canceling all the upcoming ports seems like a very bad excuse to me. It's just not worth financially to them probably eventhough I'd love to play tw3 and think that it's an awesome game...

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