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Quoting: Alm888They preaching about DRM-free while at the same time forcing Galaxy towards everyone's throats.

GOG is not forcing GOG Galaxy towards linux(sic) gamers... And I guess lots of us want that.

What I want is for GOG to stop forcing Galaxy to anyone. If they absolutely must have a client, they can have it "itch.io-style".
What they are doing right now is forcing their own closed-source DRM "Galaxy API" onto developers and gamers alike.

Quoting: ZlopezGalaxy isn't DRM, you don't need it to play GOG games.

You need it to play GWENT and some multiplayer-oriented games. And GOG is forcing Galaxy for Windows installers (bundling it with installers, hiding "classic" AKA "galaxy-free" installers from customers behind unimaginable amount of obstructions on the web site). Naturally, due to Galaxy absence on Linux it is not apparent for us, but Windows™ using GOG's customers are less than happy about the situation.

Quoting: ZlopezI support this movement. The DRM is always breached after some time by pirates. And the warez version is often better than the original, because you don't need DRM software installed (often causing issue with game).

I couldn't agree more! DRM is pure evil and in no way I'm giving my money to pro-DRM companies. But with recent developments it is really not GOG's right to begin bitching around. Not the right place, not the right time.

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And my obligatory (so no one could say I am biased towards GOG and against Steam) "And what it has to do with Gaming on Linux?".

Seriously though, I think it is kinda dumb. Instead of improving its own quality GOG thinks it is OK to piss on others.
They preaching about DRM-free while at the same time forcing Galaxy towards everyone's throats.

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Quoting: LeopardIt is already opposite in my country.

Not so lucky here [External Link].
The Title image says it all. :dizzy: And regarding the text itself… Vulkan always at the bottom of the list (sometimes in the brackets, like an afterthought), sometimes omitted and generally considered "just another DirectX" without any comparison to D3D 12.
Needless to say, there are only 2 Vulkan games in the benchmarks "Ashes of the Singularity" (which is "meh" in terms of Vulkan support) and "DOOM" (no, DOOM's big performance boost is not attributed solely to Vulkan, DrectX shares the "victory" there).
And this is recent. Two years ago it was much worse (like Vulkan being mentioned only once and the rest of the article being only about DirectX 12).

Quoting: LeopardMany emulators also introduced them Vulkan.

Emulators being emulators are not entirely legal and no self-respecting news site will ever write about them.
But, on the positive side of things, emulator developers are very rationale and pragmatic ones so, being unaffected by PR and marketing BS, they chose the best solution and not the most hyped one. It seems they are dropping DirectX for good [External Link].

Quoting: LeopardAlso Cemu emulator ( Windows only ) is looking into Vulkan possibility. Right now it is on OGL and many AMD users just learned about Mesa OGL because of that.

Mesa for Windows™? Didn't know about that. From my impression, most of the (Windows™) gamers don't know even about OpenGL. Like when the "Broken Sword 5" came out most of them stupidly tried to update DirectX when the game didn't launch or had no sound (BS5 uses OpenGL+OpenAL and at that time by default Windows™ had WHQL-certified drivers installed which notoriously don't include OpenGL support). The developers had a hard time explaining gamers they should install fresh drivers from HW supplier (Nvidia, AMD, Intel) and not from "Windows Update Center" and OpenAL to boot.

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Quoting: stretch611Consumers are more likely to be ignorant of the lawsuit…

Precisely!

Quoting: stretch611…and even if they know about it they are more than likely to side with Valve…

Guess what will happen when Steam refuses to launch after the Windows™ Update? My bet they will run towards Microsoft® and Valve® with their sticks and stones and demands to "fix it back". And what happens next? Microsoft® won't budge and Valve will be unable to do anything. So, enraged gamers will switch to "Microsoft Store" (no choice, because otherwise they will have to switch to Linux and, believe me, it terrifies most of them). Gamers can hate Microsoft® however they want, but they depend on Windows™ (most of them have to do their school homework on it) and will take whatever Microsoft® throws at them.

Well, business consumers are another beast altogether but Microsoft® is not stupid enough to get on their bad side.

Quoting: stretch611Microsoft would need to have overwhelming evidence that it will win the case before it even begins.

Nope. The process will be launched for the sake of the process itself and associated stalling. By the time Microsoft® loses its rival will be long dead. That's the ugly nature of modern "intellectual property" system. :(

Quoting: stretch611…David vs Goliath…

Glad you brought this up! ^_^
The moral? Whatever you do, if your enemy is an order of magnitude bigger than you, you don't head-butt into it. Many tried. Few survived. None succeeded.

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Quoting: ColomboVulcan(sic) is already well-developed product with a strong corporate backing (Valve) that seems to be more adopted than DX12. The only way Microsoft might fight this is making proprietary extension for Vulcan(sic).

We can only hope Vulkan prevails it the end but so far I'm not convinced this already happened. I've been monitoring news (in my country) regarding DX12 vs. Vulkan on the "General Purpose" gaming news sites (i.e. Windows™-centric) and so far an average Joe constantly hears about DirectX™ 12 while there is almost no news regarding Vulkan. The Vulkan news I've found, ironically, were panic-inducing ones (regarding Nvidia's new ray-racing features only working in DirectX™ and not in Vulkan).

The biggest shot in the foot Microsoft® made was "DirectX™ 12 Windows™ 10 lock-in". :D

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Quoting: GuestYou are just spreading FUD so you can lower the Linux HYPE.

A HYPE is never a good thing because after thar 100% of the time comes disappointment and all who cry "Huzzah for Valve!!!!111" and "Oh, Glorious Gabe Almighty!!!!1111" will find out nothing changed and ordinary Windows™-user still doesn't give a fsck about SteamOS.

Quoting: GuestYou might as well be a Microsoft employee at this point...

And, considering how you are propagating this Proton™ thing, you may be Valve®'s employee… :S:

Quoting: Guest1)They have nothing to fear. At best a court can force Valve to disable proton for the US. At the most. Microsoft may pursue legal battles but they will eventually lose all of them and will lose tons of money and PR in the process.

You can not lose what you don't have. Some SteamOS™ fanboys getting even more pissed off? Oww, scary! The Average Windows User will not care in the slightest.

Quoting: Guest2)Constant and rapid API changes will completely destroy software on windows as well.... They will be shooting themselves in the foot if they go that way. The hillarious(sic) thing will be that if they keep doing that Linux will end up having better compatibility and be an easier platform to develop and maintain for, which will lead more people to Linux...

Constant and rapid API changes are what Microsoft® does (.NET, GDIPlus, DDE, UWP and so on) and so far all of its feet are with it. It will implement its own in-house compatibility layers for Microsoft Store which will make games compatible only with it and not Steam™ (in fact it already did,; see UWP). And in the meantime while Valve®'s shop stays crippled Microsoft® will advertise it as the Only True Store. Average Joe wouldn't care where to get his new game (from torrents, of course! :P ).

You can not beat Microsoft® in its own game. Lots of companies tried. So far almost none survived (well, IBM technically hobbled away after "OS/2" fiasco). And guys like "Be Incorporated" ("BeOS") were independent OS suppliers. Valve® just sits on the shoulder of Windows™.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80The code has not been tampered with no code injection has taken place they havent(sic) re written direct x to get it to work so they shouldnt(sic) have any legal grounds.

Yeah, sure. This didn't stop Oracle® from suing Google® for its Java™ API implementation.

Quoting: GuestStop with the FUD. Even if they sue they won't get anywhere. WINE infringes on no copyright, plus it has existed for 2 decades, legally they have lost the right to pursue anything now.

Even if a court ultimately rejects all claims, this can take ages and Valve®'s reputation will be tarnished. And, more importantly, the court can forbid any Valve®'s economical activity in the US of America during the process in order to prevent any possible further violations. By the time Microsoft® will be forced to pay reparation it will be useless because Valve® will be bankrupt.
And please, don't shoot the messager. I don't work for Microsoft®; all I want is for people to stop drinking Valve®'s kool-aid. Why are most people assuming Microsoft® won't retaliate? Be it a legal process or constant and rapid API changes in order to break compatibility? All of the previous Microsoft®'s history suggests otherwise.

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So, in case Valve in fact gets somewhere with its small WINE trick…

How long will it take for Microsoft® to sue WINE and Valve® for copyright infringement regarding Windows™ API and unlicensed DirectX™ implementation?

After all, WINE was tolerated only as long as it was relatively useless. I dobt Microsoft® will allow someone to chew off some 20…30% of its market share with basically its own API.

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Quoting: liamdawe…they're working on it.

This phrase in itself is a running gag, isn't it?
I believe, Zaxth tried to rephrase the "Unreal Tournament 3 on Linux" story. This pattern has been around way before even "Humble Inc." started to support Linux.

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We all know there is a difference between performance declared on the "general purpose" (read "Windows™ oriented" ) hardware news sites and benchmarks and actual state of things on the Linux side. A card can be brilliant with DirectX™ on Windows™ but have poor performance with Vulkan on Linux or the other way around. It is hard to say for sure now.

My upgrade is planned on the next year, so I have plenty of time to see how things are developing.

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