Quoting: johndoeWe Linux users are better than those windows folks:)
Keep on knocking and something WILL happen.

Yep! :D
That's why I never pirate Linux games, ever! That's a rule I intend to follow no matter what.

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Quoting: johndoeSteam has "Steam Family Sharing"...
It allows you to share your games library with 10 devices inhouse but only one device can play a game when you only have "one purchase" for it.
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Maybe this is the reason why Feral don't like to put their games on GOG.

If Feral don't like to put its games on any DRM-free store (it's not about GOG in particular after all), then someone will put their games DRM-free on all torrent trackers. Or, in fact, someone will put them there regardless of Feral's will.
Just for the sake of experiment, I tried to search for Linux version of "Rise of the Tomb Raider" and was successful (no, I did not download and can not say whether that copy works or not).

The only thing Feral achieves by refusing to release its ports DRM-free is alienating people who refuse to tolerate DRM, virtually forcing them to use torrents (or ignore the games altogether). Hardcore Pirates are not affected.

Sadly, at this time Ferals' reasons are black box for us as Feral is not eager to elucidate.

Quoting: johndoeTo be honest. I don't think that most games from GOG are allowed to be played at the "same time" with only "one purchase".
Most people don't read EULAs.

I believe you are entirely correct here.

Quoting: johndoeIf this is true than many GOG users might violate the publishers EULA without knowing it.

Yes, most EULAs prohibit such sharing, yet, it should be noted that there are cases where a country's law explicitly grants such permissions (AFAIK, in USoA it is called "Fair Use" or something like that). In these cases a country law takes precedence, but DRM (or, more correctly "Technical Means of Author's Rirghts Copyright Protection" ) prevents buyers from realizing such law-approved exceptions. (Steam Family Sharing is just an attempt to rectify this inherent DRM flaw).

Moreover, even working DRM mechanism does not prevent (yet) byuers from accidental EULA violation, e. g. it is not legal to allow your guests (even friends) to play your games on your hardware because they are not part of your family. Of course, face recognition mechanisms and biometric database will close this loophole. :whistle:

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Quoting: jensThat was meant as a joke.

Don't worry, the joke was appreciated! :P

P.S. I think, this thread actually needs more jokes as certain two habitues have put us (with our previous "battles" ) to shame. :D

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Quoting: jensNext to that we should not forget that they are primarily a Mac/OSX porting studio using Steam and Apple Store.

They did not grace GOG with Mac port either. So, their descision is not based on OS popularity but on other factors.

Quoting: jensa) World domination comes with Valve

Valve's Word Domination, sure! :D
If/When Valve's Steam becomes the only Store That Matters, developers/publishers will consider 25% cut to be a damn good deal!

Quoting: jensb) To really just annoy all the folks that often hijack the news posting here on GOL when a new Feral game is announced/released :)

I would consider myself honored! Yet, I think Feral is far more practical with these matters and does not take personal feelings of its employees/directors into account when money is concerned.

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Quoting: GuestTry as you might, there's nothing to indicate Feral's DRM stance one way or another. I put it to you that lack of xcom on GOG is about various business deals, distribution, quality control. Nothing at all to do with DRM.

:) You know, it is kind of silly to try to hide an elephant behind a straw:

• The DRM-free version of the game is already available on GOG, but Feral® explicitly said it is not interested in GOG release;


• Feral uses Steamworks (as none of their games are on The Big List of DRM-Free Games on Steam [External Link].

Their (awkward) reasoning is of no importance to me. The hard truth is: Feral Interactive releases all their games as Steamworks-exclusives and it is entirely Feral's descision to do so.
You can condemn or approve this descision, but stop pretending it is not their own stance.
Sorry, but no "Feral is tied up with contractual obligations" rubbish from now on, OK?

Quoting: TheRiddickSteam does not stop developers releasing products on other platforms, so the decision is up to the original developer.

Got any proof? Some Licence Agreement scans? Or, are you one of Valve employees and has explicit right to speak on behalf of Valve? And in this case the original developer had already desided do release the game DRM-free, but Feral is of different opinion on the matter.

Quoting: LinasWhy do you assume that they are even allowed to release the games as DRM-free? The majority of the games they port are not even available as DRM-free on Windows. It's not like when they make a Linux version it becomes Ferals(sic) property and they can do whatever they want with the game?

Eeehmm… Hello again! It seems you did not fully understand the whole meaning of the news. Well, just in case you missed (sorry for being Captain Obvious here), "XCOM: Enemy Unknown" is already available at GOG [External Link]. DRM-free!

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Quoting: liamdaweWhile it sucks it had a delay, it is still coming. We should still show companies our love and support for bothering in the first place…

Well, I showed them my support during Kickstarter campaign, and that's where it got me.

Quoting: liamdaweIt is true a delayed release can hurt sales, absolutely, but let's not make that so because we're turning our noses up at it just because it was delayed.

No one says those games must be ignored, but I believe, a discount is in order. (Like with RUINER -- good guys, they know how to present a Linux release ^_^ )

Quoting: liamdaweImagine if the majority did the same for Aspyr or Feral releases, which can be years after the Windows game release, we would be fucked.

You (and "jens" :D ) probably know my oponion on feral-ports.
So, you could be laconic and had said "Imagine we all were like Alm888." (Yes, I'm so humble, he-he). :D

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Quoting: liamdaweI'll be blunt, you just don't understand any of the business side of it.

Occam's Razor, my friend, Occam's Razor. Between "they are tied up with contractual obligations with third parties" and "it is their own business decision" one should choose the later (only 1 actor instead of 2) until it is proved contradicting other aspects.

Quoting: GuestYour attitude is ruining the thread. Please stop.

Hmm? Not that long ago you were "amused" by all of this. Or was it classical "if you have no arguments against -- ridicule your interlocutor" approach?

But fine, if even a simple thought that someone might not jump on the hype train and instead speak poorly about heavenly saint Feral Interactive gives you pain, then I'll stop for now. Sure, we might see who is right soon enough.

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Quoting: liamdaweYeah amusing, linking to a post I already argued against.

Amusing indeed. So, some think if they argued against something that something automatically becomes false. No additional proof needed (I checked, there are no counterproof on the tread, only unsubstantiated rationalization). OK, noted.

Quoting: liamdaweFeral have to say such things in public, again, to not place blame on their partners. The fact that some don't understand this is amusing.

So, some "ellie_feral"'s (whoever that is, (s)he has the "Feral" badge) statements on Reddit

• "If you're wondering who to request GOG releases etc. from, you can certainly put your requests to us and we'll listen. However, GOG isn't viable for us at the moment."


• "Fraid not, our Linux games are Steam-only."

are not public enough.

That's what I think:

• there is a fine red line between appreciation and fanboyism;


• if Feral indeed releases "Hellblade" we'll see its true colors (I can bet, we won't see the port anywhere besides Steam™ and "Feral-store".);


• of course, even then someone will be defending Feral, stating "There was no time for additional red-tape, GOG/itch.io/whatever is to blame for unavailability.", or "They probably can not afford additional tech support costs." etc.

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Quoting: liamdawePlease don't make things up, Feral have never said that. Feral just happen to port games that are not on GOG and they won't throw their partners under a bus whose decision it will be on what store it goes on.

Sorry to disappoint you (and all who up-voted your comment), but the reality is simply not on your side. The "We are not to decide where it must be sold" argument sounds plausible but is not true. Sorry, this argument was debunked.

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Quoting: riusmaFrom the artwork I will say: Hellblade: senua's sacrifice confirmed as the next game ported to Linux by Feral! ^_^

Which will create confusion as the game is currently being sold on GOG [External Link], but due to Feral policy Linux version would not be available there.

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