Quoting: Thormack

Quoting: jens

Quoting: Thormack

Quoting: GuestNo Elite Dangerous yet through Proton, unless I am missing something.

Maybe you are, ED has been playable on Proton for some months now.
But you have to use a modified proton version:
https://github.com/redmcg/wine/releases/ [External Link]

Follow the instructions very carefully, or it will not run.

This workarround is no longer needed with the new Steam PlayProton version. If you have protontricks and winetricks ready you really only have to run
protontricks 359320 dotnet40 vcrun2015 win7
after the first start.

See also https://github.com/redmcg/wine/wiki#the-official-build-of-proton-42-runs-ed [External Link]

Awesome,

What does the number "359320" is about?
(protontricks 359320 dotnet40 vcrun2015 win7)
Just curious

That number is the Steam Application ID for Elite Dangerous. Protontricks wraps winetricks and determines wineprefix, wine executable etc on the Steam app ID. Its pretty cool (although I would have preferred if it was just a shell script like winetricks, but installation at least in Fedora was still very easy). See https://github.com/Matoking/protontricks [External Link]

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Quoting: Thormack

Quoting: GuestNo Elite Dangerous yet through Proton, unless I am missing something.

Maybe you are, ED has been playable on Proton for some months now.
But you have to use a modified proton version:
https://github.com/redmcg/wine/releases/ [External Link]

Follow the instructions very carefully, or it will not run.

This workarround is no longer needed with the new Steam Play/Proton version. If you have protontricks and winetricks ready you really only have to run
protontricks 359320 dotnet40 vcrun2015 win7
after the first start.

See also https://github.com/redmcg/wine/wiki#the-official-build-of-proton-42-runs-ed [External Link]

Edit: Eventually you'll also need this: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/150#issuecomment-453244721 [External Link]

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Quoting: Xpander(sadly FFB doesn't work with proton)

Is this meant as a general statement or specific to DR2? I'm playing Assetto Corsa Competizione with Steam Play/Proton and FFB works just wonderfully with my G25.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: ScooptaIn my opinion voting for Linux with your wallet through proton is kinda like sending mixed messages. "I'm here give me games" but also "I'll take non-native games so don't bother porting."

It's voting against Linux support, really, because you're showing them that you're on Linux but will pay them regardless for a Windows game and regardless of the fact they aren't supporting Linux, like you said.

Paying for Proton games directly hurts you by not giving you support like normal gamers get, and it sends the exact wrong message and discourages future Linux support because you're decreasing the number of gamers willing to pay for Linux support by paying for Windows support instead.

May be in the short term, but think in the long term. If gaming on Linux wants to go anywhere it needs visible market share. You may say what you want about the Steam statistics and its flaws, but I think it holds more truth than one might think. The position of the bigger studios towards Linux may start to change only when we reach ~ 5% or more. How do you get there? By offering simple solutions that allows people to take your favorite (present and future) games with you from Windows to Linux. Proton is that tool in my opinion (*). Purchases for Proton finances the Steam Play tooling and tells developers that Linux should be worth a consideration in the future, even if they don't consider it now.

I don't mind how I play a game on Linux, but I want to be certain that my money is seen as money from a Linux user.

* I still think that Proton users are also the beta testers for Valves upcoming streaming platform, which is absolutely fine for me, win-win for both. I could be very wrong though ;).

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Quoting: skinnyrafIt all boils down to economy. I bought LotR on BluRay. I pay Netflix a monthly fee. I go to a cinema with my family where I pay for a single ticket as much as a discounted DVD costs and yet after 2 hours I have nothing but impressions and memories. Same with VOD services.
Same with games with an added twist: if you include the cost of buying a powerful gaming rig in the cost of owning games, Stadia subscription may be very cost effective.

Yes, I had also VR in my mind where even more power is needed... you would also need more bandwidth, but there could be a turning point in the long term since infrastructure will keep improving.

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Quoting: dubigrasu

Quoting: jens

Quoting: dubigrasu@jens, are you a Fellini fan? :P

Not that I know, had to google the name Fellini ;). I guess you mean the Italian film director?
Would you mind to explain? ;)

Meh, failed joke. It somehow sounded funny in my head. You kept saying (La)Strada instead of Stadia.

Ah, it's Stadia indeed, missed that completely in all articles, could be that I had Stradivari in the back of my mind :). Thanks for the hint ;)

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Quoting: dubigrasu@jens, are you a Fellini fan? :P

Not that I know, had to google the name Fellini ;). I guess you mean the Italian film director?
Would you mind to explain? ;)

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Having thought about this and after reading lots of opinions this is my stance:
Googles game streaming service, Stadia, seems cross platform. This is certainly a very good thing, this offers another way of playing games on Linux. Since Stadia uses Linux underneath in their infrastructure I'm pretty sure that this will further improve the quality of the Linux graphics Stack and further strengthen Vulkan.

I'm seeing Stadia as a way of playing games _next_ to other means of playing games on Linux, certainly not as a replacement for Steam and other stores. Similar like Netflix it is targeted for the causal (not that much interested in highest quality) consumer and not a replacement for a Blu Ray collection for a Cinematic. So I don't think that Stadia will be the end of the way we are playing games now. Though a shift will most likely happen, similar like Netflix grabbed much share of the BluRay market.

Will this improve gaming on Linux in the sense of bringing gaming experience on Linux closer to the experience on Windows? This could go either way. Having games on Stadia would make a Linux release technically kind of easy/easier and might be a motivation to just do it. On the other hand publishers might refrain from directly releasing on Linux due to e.g. support reasons and might just refer to Stadia, similar like some studios refer to Proton now. Actually I think the latter will happen. It may even worse the situation for real gamers since Linux would only get the low quality Stadia game version but not a full Desktop version of a certain game. Though in the long term this could strengthen the Linux market share overall, a similar effect I hope from Proton due to overall having more games on Linux. A higher market share overall could then attract more "native" Linux release. Another thought would be at in the long term, e.g. over 10 years, we wont see differences anymore between Desktop vs streaming and the whole discussion mutes. Thus to conclude: I think Stadia will improve gaming on Linux for the causal gamer, but not for "real" gamers, at least not in the short term. No idea what the situation in the long term could yield.

Let's also further see what Valve is doing. I'm still convinced that having Proton/SteamPlay on Linux is mostly just the public Beta test of the groundwork for Valves streaming service.

PS: About the DRM discussion here, Stadia is a service for, lets put it extreme, streaming an interactive movie. Stadia is not a platform for buying games/goods thus having a Stadia game DRM free does not apply here. And even if they would offer a kind of offline mode (like available in Netflix or Spotify) the DRM people would start a shitstorm anyway because game assets would not be usable outside of a (technically needed) offline Stadia client. A Stadia game is not a Desktop game.

Edit: Removed a kind of joke that could be taken offensive..
Edit2: Fixed Typo in Stadia ;)

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Nice, I have this on my radar/wish list since a while but preferred to wait until EA ends.

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Quoting: ArnvidrPersonally I'd be more interested to see what the actual changes the lib does, and just make those changes permanently to my system. CPU governor and kernel scheduler could be easy fixes at least.

Sure, you can set e.g. your CPU governor to performance permanently, though the idea is to do this only when needed since it will effect your power consumption, system temperature and eventually fan speeds too.

The source is here https://github.com/FeralInteractive/gamemode [External Link]
The readme gives some indication what's actually happening behind the scenes.

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