Quoting: mahagrnVidia drivers are bad quality which is likely the main reason why they do not open up the code.

And you base your assumptions on what exactly?

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Quoting: sonic

Quoting: mrdeathjrPossible dont be approved because only works in specific hardware / software combination

However VK9 have better chance because vulkan works in all hardware vendors

I disagree. It works with all AMD GPUs, and will probably work with Intel graphics too in near future. And it usually have better performance/graphics results.

VK9 will get years to be at usable status.

Next to VK9 there is also https://github.com/Joshua-Ashton/dxup/tree/d3d9-dev [External Link] (note the d3d9 branch and that the readme is not yet up-to-date for this branch). It will be indeed interesting to see if/when one of these projects reaches a usable state.

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Quoting: x_wingThe only big issue is stuttering in some games, but is completely solved by setting your cpu governor to performance (or using Feral tool). Intel & AMD has made an excellent work on their OpenGL & Vulkan open source libraries implementations in the latest years, giving a quality far superior than Nvidia. From my point of view you have a bias.

I think this applies both ways.
I completely agree that Intel and AMD (and related Mesa contributors including RADV people) are doing a great job, though that doesn't necessarily imply that NVidia is doing a bad job. It's just that they do things differently. If AMD/Intel works for you: very cool, I'm glad for you. Nvidia works for me, I'm glad for me and my decision to have bought one of their products :)

PS: I'm also using Feral gamemoded, having your CPU on performance mode matters for NVidia too.

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Somehow I'm not hit by tearing issues. I'm using Fedora with Gnome and kept all NVidia setting at their defaults. Thus:
- Sync to VBlank: Off
- Allow Flipping: On
- Allow G_Sync: On
- Force Composition Pipeline: Off
- Force Full Composition Pipeline: Off

I mostly use mpv als video player with hwdec (GPU) decoding and Vulkan output. Even 4K output seems butter smooth. Within games I prefer to have VSync off, which also does not result in tearing with the exception of very few games, e.g. Two point Hospital, where I have to turn on VSync. I have a Gsync compatible monitor, may that's part of why it just works for me.

I hope this info helps to at least identify some possible issues.

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Nice compilation. I've
- Shadow of the Tomb Raider and
- Starmancer
on my radar for 2019.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensMy paranoid mind unfortunately says me that market growth is not a natural thing, thus won't happen just like this over some given time ;).

There can be things to advance the market, but avoiding using Wine (or Lutris) isn't one of them :)

No, avoiding Wine would be kind of counterproductive (someone needs to test the base components of Steam Play :D) and Lutris does more than just Wine. It just shouldn't be too convenient to use the Windows version of Steam on Linux and hopefully doing so is soon not even needed anymore. That's really all I'm trying to say ;).

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Quoting: Shmerl... with the natural market growth.

My paranoid mind unfortunately says me that market growth is not a natural thing, thus won't happen just like this over some given time ;).

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: jensI guess I wont be popular with my opinion, but I hope that Steam Play/Proton will take that much steam that wrapping Wine/Steam on windows via Lutris will soon no longer be relevant. The reason for my opinion here is that I still think that gaming on Linux will only improve in the long term when Linux hits a significantly higher market share than the current 1%. Playing windows games outside of Proton does not increases Linux visibility.

This is just my opinion, by all means everyone is free to use Linux as one wishes. Note also that I don't talk about making Lutris irrelevant, I know that it wraps more than just Wine.

Mm . . . well, I like Proton (in theory, haven't used it yet), and I don't actually use GOG much, but even for me I have a few games that aren't from Steam, which Lutris will probably at some point help me play. Like I have this old Sins of a Solar Empire CD which I never got working back in the day . . .

Yes, of course it is not black and white and I know there is a difference between purchasing a new game and playing an older game. Your use case is perfectly valid.

Well, I guess I'm just afraid that we Linux people miss our one-time opportunity with Steam Play to show that we have the potential to reach a higher number than the current 1% market share. I'm seeing that quite some people recommend Lutris which could keep the current status quo in place and makes sure that nothing changes, thus people buying games for Windows (where the purchase counts as Windows) and still complain that Linux adoption/usage in the statistics won't increase. Reaching a higher market share is in my opinion the only way to ever break the status quo.

Ah well, lets see how things turn out, hopefully my worries are unjustified :). The next round of GoL statistics is a good start to see if there is a shift on the horizon.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80

Quoting: jensI guess I wont be popular with my opinion, but I hope that Steam Play/Proton will take that much steam that wrapping Wine/Steam on windows via Lutris will soon no longer be relevant. The reason for my opinion here is that I still think that gaming on Linux will only improve in the long term when Linux hits a significantly higher market share than the current 1%. Playing windows games outside of Proton does not increases Linux visibility.

This is just my opinion, by all means everyone is free to use Linux as one wishes. Note also that I don't talk about making Lutris irrelevant, I know that it wraps more than just Wine.

Nothing is going to grow the linux market place without killer apps there has to be an exclusive that you cannot get on windows/xbox/ps4/switch and it has to stay exclusive to linux nobody is going to switch to linux to play a game they already play perfectly fine on windows they just arent.The mainstream users have no clue that google MS and amazon collect their data and sells it on to marketers no fucking idea and they are happy in their ignorance.I had to spend over an hour once providing tech support to a lady at my old work place because we switched to debian for low end users because of licencing costs. What massive project was she trying to do she had been given a deb file to install and she said am double clicking and the wizard thing is not coming up so i can click next. In the end after throughly losing my patience because i thought she was trolling me. I drove to her site did it for her and she muttered windows was better every two minutes and it's this stupid minux system. That is not a mistype that is what she said. That is the level of user that runs games on windows and you are not going to get them to come to linux when they have to actually learn to do things in terminal to get your system running smoothly.

Sorry, but I wasn't able read your response until the end. I guess the fourth advise from https://github.com/Joshua-Ashton/dxup/issues/29#issuecomment-449862580 [External Link] which I coincidentally stumbled upon several hours ago applies here too:
"please keep things short; concise; with paragraphs and not like you hit your head on the keyboard several times."

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I guess I wont be popular with my opinion, but I hope that Steam Play/Proton will take that much steam that wrapping Wine/Steam on windows via Lutris will soon no longer be relevant. The reason for my opinion here is that I still think that gaming on Linux will only improve in the long term when Linux hits a significantly higher market share than the current 1%. Playing windows games outside of Proton does not increases Linux visibility.

This is just my opinion, by all means everyone is free to use Linux as one wishes. Note also that I don't talk about making Lutris irrelevant, I know that it wraps more than just Wine.

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