Quoting: scaine

QuoteAnother case of someone completely missing the point of what I wrote, and in this case, trying to put words into my mouth (or into my text area, as it were).

Well shit, I'm done. Can't contribute to a discussion without that happening. Too many people are far too eager to go nuts at me instead I guess. I mean, how dare I have what's viewed as an opposing opinion (whether it even is or not).

I'm sad to see you go, Mirv. That last sentence is a bit ironic though, eh? I have an opposed opinion to you, how dare I?

I always enjoyed what you brought to the table - a developer's view of Linux gaming, but still with a gamer's perspective. I'll miss your chat, although I stand by what I said about Microsoft.

@Mirv, I’m also sad to see you’ve left. I didn’t had the impression that I moved out of line. If I stepped on a wrong foot of yours, I apologize, that certainly wasn’t my intention. I hope you’ll reconsider leaving this site, wise old men ( ) with different views and knowledge are a rare good these days and are certainly needed for a balanced discussion.

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Quoting: GuestValve gets too much credit in my opinion, and have basically bought goodwill by contributing to open source projects for the explicit purpose of having people reliant on their proprietary client. Microsoft also contribute to open source projects, yet hardly anyone (who isn't paid to do so) praises them in such a fashion.

Microsoft is big. I give them huge kudos for projects like .Net Core or VS Code, but I'm absolutely no fan of their OS (mostly from the user perspective, not so much because it is closed source) or some other initiatives.

Quoting: GuestI'm not anti-Valve. Anyone who thinks so, go back and read my words again. I just like to point out how what people say often appears to me in conflict with their own actions. In this case, originally by pointing out that what they (Valve) "could have done" is actually what they did: bolting LGPL onto a proprietary system.

I mean it's gaming, with games and assets being proprietary as it gets. By its nature this will never be a 100% OSS domain.
I see it more like a win-win for both. The Linux community wins because lots of resources going into e.g. the graphics and gaming stack which will benefit Linux in general and on the other side I have no problem with Valve further strengthening their position to in the end increase profit for themself. I don't feel that Valve is using or blackmailing me.

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Quoting: mphuZ

Quoting: GuestWell they do already do that if you think about it. Steam is the module.

You've turned everything around. Steam is a store. Proton is a separate module.

I think you missed my point entirely, which was that if Valve were such open source champions they've have an open source client.

I don't know, your argumentation is like:

Mom: Hey honey, look how nicely our boy has cleanup his room!
Dad: Yeah, but he's still a bad child because he didn't do his homework yesterday!

It is fair to criticize Valve for the shortcomings of the Steam client, but it is also fair to give credits to them for how they approached the Proton development. It is, however, unfair to discredit the latter with the former. Having the Steam client closed source, doesn't make Proton a worse Open Source project.

Just to be sure: this is how I read your arguments, I can't be sure of course if you also intended to say it this way.

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Quoting: Guest

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Quoting: jens(they could have made Proton completely closed, but decided to go 100% Open Source!).

It's based on wine. So no, they could not have kept it closed. So please don't make an essential requirement look like they did a great thing.

It needs Wine to work, but Proton itself is a separate thing, and Wine is LGPL not GPL, so there's nothing to stop someone from attaching Wine to a closed module. Sooo, yes, they could have kept Proton closed.

Well they do already do that if you think about it. Steam is the module.

Well, my statement was about Proton, not the Steam store. In my definition Proton is not upstream Wine. It is based on Wine but contains a lot more (modified spiced Wine, DXVK, VKD3D-Proton, Steam bridge, VR bridge etc.). Of course huge credits to Codeweavers (which are partially sponsored by Valve) and other Wine contributors but considering Proton just a repackaged Wine is a bit shortsighted if you ask me ;)

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I’m a Steam customer and have my full library there, because convenience but also because their investment into the Linux gaming stack (they could have made Proton completely closed, but decided to go 100% Open Source!).
That said I do think GOG fully deserves their place and I hope they ship into better waters soon. Granted, their communication could be better, but in my opinion they support Linux, but just passively and not actively like Valve. I guess reasons are of simple economical nature. GOG is certainly not anti-Linux and still deserves it’s place in the Linux gaming world.

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Not a fan of the art style at first sight, but I predict I'll get used to it and at some point I'll likely be convinced that no other style makes sense for this game. I'm also very much looking forward to music, humor and the game play itself.

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It is also coming to iOS, I'm even looking more forward to that, though no idea how this works out with Netflix games.
FTL is still really good on the tablet (tbf I rarely play on the tablet, actually just FTL :)). I could imagine ITB as well.

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Quoting: levellordCan anyone advise how many different nations in the game? I'd appreciate your response!

See https://oldworld.fandom.com/wiki/Civilizations

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I just figured that the graphics issues with the Feral port i.c.w. with NVIDIA are solved when using the 515 driver. So no more reasons to move away from the Feral port for me.

(For the sake of testing () I replayed the first chapter of that game, it is imho still a really good game. Both successors are obviously better looking, but story and character wise, Tomb Raider 2013 is still my favorite)

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Alright, I could not resist :)... Impressions from first 10 minutes are really good.
(The native Linux version starts just fine for me.)

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