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Quoting: GrazenI've been buying more and more games in the Windows store already, because of PlayAnywhere. I have an Xbox One X so for some (but not all games... yet) like Mordor Shadow of War or Cuphead buying them through the Microsoft store allows me to play them on both PC and Xbox. It's starting and Valve needs to get their heads out of the sand.

Quoting: GrazenNot sure I understand? I have every system (yes, every). If the game is available on Linux, I buy it on Steam so that I can play it across PC platforms. If the game is PS4 or Switch exclusive, I'll buy it for that platform. If the game is Xbox / Windows I'll buy it on the Microsoft store and play it across PC and console. I don't think any Xbox One PlayAnywhere games are even out for Mac / Linux - so I don't get your point. As for PS4, that's probably the worst and most proprietary platform (well that and Switch) - forcing you to repurchase games games via a streaming service is anti-consumer.

My point was:
You're claiming that "Valve has to get their heads out of the sand" because of Microsoft PlayAnywhere, that allows you to pay once and play games on both - PC and Xbox One X.
My reaction to this sentence is - Steam offers more - you pay once and you can play your games on multiple OS - Linux, Mac, Windows. If most important thing for you is that you can play your games on PC and on console - Steam allows it as well - you can play on your PC and on your console (Where a console is a PC/Steam Machine with SteamOS installed on it).

Honestly I don't know which point you didn't get - I don't want to be offensive, I just wonder what part is unclear.

Maybe what you want to highlight is that Microsoft has exclusives (with PlayAnywhere you mention), Sony has exclusives (on PS4), Nintendo has exclusives (on Switch/WiiU) but Valve doesn't have any exclusives, while they should have.
If so I misunderstood your sentence.

Lol, willful blindness on your part perhaps? Let's take this slow then so that you can better understand. I have an Xbox One X. I have a PC. If I buy Cuphead on Microsoft Store, I can play it in my console in the living room (in 4K) and on my PC. If I buy it in Steam, I can play it on my PC but not on my console. Same PC. Same Price. One gets me more. Which would you buy? If Cuphead had a Linux version would I buy it from Steam instead? Going forward every Microsoft published game will be PlayAnywhere and more and more third party games will be too (Shadow of War is a WB published game, for example). This is clearly Microsoft's strategy, and it's a good one.

As for where Linux fits in this, it really doesn't because the market is so small that it's a rounding error. For games with native Linux support I'll likely buy them on Steam to support the publishers, but really, that's irelevant.

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I understand your attitude. It sounds nice. But I will add something to this discussion:
I buy games on Steam (or digital versions in local shops if they have better price, never through resellers) using my personal Linux machine. I play them on my personal machine. At work I used to have Windows machine. I was able to play games on that machine. Now at work I have Mac. I am still able to play those games. You need console like experience? You buy small case PC and install SteamOS (or buy Steam Machine) and you don't have to buy those games again. They just work.

What I'm saying is Valve targets more platforms than Microsoft. Microsoft started to promote their console + PC approach some time ago, and that's cool for MS users.

The other topic is number of AAA titles, quality of the ports on Linux and the quality of "console like experience" - they are not yet there, that's why 2,5 years ago I bought PS4...

Not sure I understand? I have every system (yes, every). If the game is available on Linux, I buy it on Steam so that I can play it across PC platforms. If the game is PS4 or Switch exclusive, I'll buy it for that platform. If the game is Xbox / Windows I'll buy it on the Microsoft store and play it across PC and console. I don't think any Xbox One PlayAnywhere games are even out for Mac / Linux - so I don't get your point. As for PS4, that's probably the worst and most proprietary platform (well that and Switch) - forcing you to repurchase games games via a streaming service is anti-consumer.

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Quoting: TheRiddickThe drivers are almost at green flag state for AMD, Kernel 4.15 release will be great if they introduce DC. But I hear 4.16 will also be quite good.

Once that happens then Valve shouldn't have too many more hurdles for Linux gaming in 2018, it was a pipe dream when they first launched the idea because only NVIDIA had drivers capable of actually doing good.

Now all we need is Microsoft to force steam games to sign in through their store system, now that would be funny as all hell! (that originally got valve pushing for SteamOS Linux in the first place)

PS.
I think steam machines should have used those laptop slot in PCIe cards to reduce price (they are cheaper I would assume). However I think only NVIDIA produced them.

I've been buying more and more games in the Windows store already, because of PlayAnywhere. I have an Xbox One X so for some (but not all games... yet) like Mordor Shadow of War or Cuphead buying them through the Microsoft store allows me to play them on both PC and Xbox. It's starting and Valve needs to get their heads out of the sand.

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Oh man... I just installed Ubuntu 17.10 on my Steam Machine today so that I could more easily stream (check out www.twitch.tv/MostlyLinux ). Not sure this is worth a reinstall just yet, but I'll keep an eye out for future updates.

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I'll care about GoG when they port Galaxy to Linux.

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Quoting: Mountain ManAlways disappointing to see performance lag behind Windows, but that's to be expected with a port, and that won't change until developers start using cross-platform middle-ware.

Yup. I bought it on my Linux box, I might wait a few weeks to make sure it registers as a Linux sale before hitting it up on Windows. I'm a Linux enthusiast but not a masochist. Based on this my 1060 would be lucky to hit 30 fps on medium while on Windows it can run at 60fps on very high.

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I bought it but frankly after reading this I'm going to run it in Windows. I have a GTX 1060 and based on this report it will run closer to the performance of a GTX 950 in Linux. I see no reason to suffer through horrible framerates and crappy performance just to support Feral's crappy port.

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The numbers don't make sense and are likely wrong. There's no other datapoints anywhere (outside of the survey) indicating a huge increase in Windows 7 use. In past surveys Windows 7 declined relative to Windows 10, so yes, this looks like a huge surge in reported users. It would be nice if Valve released the total user base in addition to the percentages. I haven't looked closely at the rest of the numbers, but I wonder if there's also a measurable shift in the average machine / processors and GPU. Will check. Note that this would represents somewhere in the order of an additional 20,000,000 PUBG players if it's accurate, in one month, and there's no evidence that the game has grown that much either online or via released statements.

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Unexpected and very sad. Goodbye Humble Bundle - it was a great ride. Congrats to the selling shareholders. I'm not as inclined to shop there anymore :(

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Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: Grazen

Quoting: MohandevirWhat about a thunderbolt connector for eGPU compliance? Just an idea...

Edit:

Overwatch System requirements:
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/65159 [External Link]

I think it isn't out of reach in the case of a zen based apu, if the goal is to run games at medium settings like many actual consoles do.

But it's just speculation. IMO, the day Blizzard port it's game catalog to Linux is the day Linux gaming has won. It's more a dream than a possibility. :)

This said, hardware needs exclusives to sell. That's why Steam Machines failed. There was nothing you couldn't get by other means or on "the other OS"... Let's see what Atari has in store, this time...

The reason SteamOS didn't succeed isn't because of exclusives, it's because games ran worse PLUS lack of compatibility. You can have one or the other and people would go for it, but both is death.

Maybe but think of a Steam Machine launch with an Exclusive HL3 for SteamOS (just an example) and the swarm of players that would have come to the platform would have taken care of the issues you mentionned by itself. Bigger player base = Better support.

If Valve put HL3 onto SteamOS as an exclusive, they would have needed to invest at least a billion dollars into the project, which is a fraction of the cost of a typical console launch. Valve doesn't spend billions, they make billions.

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