Does Remote Play Together work through Proton?

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Quoting: LinuxwarperDo you think that it will be easier to get closer to Windows performance with VKD3D for DX12 games than with DXVK and DX11 games? Considering the similarities DX12 and Vulkan share and the opposite for DX11 and Vulkan.

Believe it or not, but mapping D3D12 to Vulkan is harder than D3D11. Yes, the APIs are similar in concept, but there are many little details which make it rather painful and introduce overhead in vkd3d. D3D11 might need more code, but it's fairly straight-forward for the most part since its abstractions are higher-level.

That said, in games where D3D12 is significantly better than D3D11, you'll find that vkd3d beats dxvk by a fair margin as well, so it's by no means slow, but there are quite a few nasty issues to sort out.

Is it primarily harder because there aren't solutions in place or because the way D3D12 works? Like if Vulkan were to have feature parity with D3D12, if that's right way to put it, would that make mapping to Vulkan easier?

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Quoting: YoRHa-2BWhile there's truth to that, we're really looking at getting as close to parity as possible, and just 70% of Windows performance is pretty bad to be perfectly honest. Especially when most games get ≥85% these days, at least on AMD GPUs.

Do you think that it will be easier to get closer to Windows performance with VKD3D for DX12 games than with DXVK and DX11 games? Considering the similarities DX12 and Vulkan share and the opposite for DX11 and Vulkan.

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I am convinced it will be adequate to good experience. The worries I have is implications Stadia's rise will have for gaming as a whole. I imagine we will see games being exclusive to Stadia, further tarnishing PC landscape (Epic). And not only just a exclusivity to Stadia market but possibly another kind of exclusivity: streaming only.
There are many other issues too, such as Google not being fair to developers by rejecting or burying their games because they don't have the "right" political view. Or that their game is "problematic".

The only positives I see is Vulkan being adopted more and Stadia making it harder for EGS to be successful. Hopefully it will also help with Linux ecosystem in general more than it will hurt us. I mean if Google really cared about desktop Linux they could, at very least, encourage developers to also develop their games (local version) on Stadia for a distribution of their choice: either Debian or Ubuntu. I won't hold my breath, that's wishful thinking. They seem like the type to use Linux primarily for their own gain.

Quoting: chancho_zombieeveryone is so eager to see all the negatives. I think that we owe a lot to google for making the modern internet what it is, we wouldn't have android, and lot of tech advances. I don't see google as a negative monopoly in this case it is a positive monopoly if they were that evil, they would work with the Chinese government to control everything because that would be their wet dream right?
I said this before I'm not afraid of companies controlling your data, governments controlling the data that´s worrisome.

Correct me if I'm wrong but has Google not benefited from technologies that FOSS developers have made? Furthermore is it not part of their development process to make their projects open source partially because this will allow developers outside their company to chip in and help the development? So why should FOSS enthusiasts be grateful for them when it seems their actions are largely motivated by their own self interest?

As for a company or government controlling information it should be quite clear that Google does that.

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Anticheat working with Proton will be the next big thing. As much as I want Linux ecosystem to grow, I really can't justify the expectation of a linux port. It may not popular opinion but developers can probably make more money instead of supporting Linux. FURTHERMORE many of the supposedly native Linux ports are lacking. What good is the game running on Linux if it's not properly developed and optimized for the platform?
Proton is as far as I see it a great solution for developers who have modest interest in Linux but can't justify supporting the platform.

And in chosing Vulkan to ensure the game complies with Proton, indirectly it will pave the way for a future where crossplatform software are used. This will inevitably lead to native ports for all platforms and the optimization will be largely the same for them. The way I see it the important issues for Linux gaming, at this point in time with our 1% marketshare, isn't native support but anticheat working with Proton or/and Proton being further polished (D9VK maturing more for example).

Quoting: Whitewolfe80It is interesting how accepting/resigned to the fact that proton is the best way to game on linux these days. When it first came out many said as long as native ports dont suffer well lets be brutally honest if its not from Feral vp or nightdrive its not coming natively to linux. Proton is the reality of linux gaming dont get me wrong am not down on it think its a great investment by valve and a sensible business decision vs windows and Epic store. But back to my original point we kind of all got to the point of meh what you going to do very quickly.

The reason for this makes perfect sense. Linux has 1% marketshare. In my opinion, with some exceptions, making a Linux port is not worth it. Because of that I am content playing games through Proton as long as it runs well.
But if ever the time comes where Linux gains 10% marketshare, I will no longer be happy with Proton and demand native port. Because at that point developers will have little to no excuse for doing a native release, and I will consider it a big negative if developers rely on Proton.

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Happy Birthday :) Although I didn't know saiyans celebrated birthdays

Such a good release. This part caught my eye the most:

Many Wine modules are now built as Windows PE files instead of Linux libraries. As work in this area progresses, this will eventually help some DRM and anti-cheat systems. If you build Proton locally, you will likely need to re-create the Vagrant VM to build PE files.

I wonder if the progress is in regards to EAC or/and Battleeye or anti cheat in general?

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Setting aside the issues with Streaming, let's look at other issue with Stadia. Youtube is heavily filtered by Google making the life of many Youtubers harder than if they were on right side of political spectrum. Your videos will be filtered out, even though they are trending, and videos that aren't trending are purposely put on trending even though they are not because the messages in the videos align with Google's political views. This will happen to with Stadia. Imagine "Sorry this game has been removed because it's problematic", because that will happen.

Then there is the issue that Google most likely aims to replace traditional way to play games:

Eventually, all of our games will be safely in the cloud too and we'll feel great about it

Where as a ideal future with Streaming would be one where it supplements normal way to play games. Not trying to replace it. So you can imagine Google will deploy exclusivity deals and such to try burn out non streaming platforms.

Let's hope Valve will have streaming figured out by time Stadia ever gets a chance to take off. Valve, imo, respects freedom much more than Google and is right company to be at the helm of streaming. I don't have a problem with streaming by itself, I think it's great. But the only positive I can see with Google and Stadia is increasing Vulkan adoption.

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He comes off as opportunistic, I don't trust him. If he believes Linux is truly great, then he can push for adoption of software that would help the platform. I wish I could say he's a good guy, but since EGS exclusivity began I see mostly garbage actions by him. Remember, he compared using Linux to moving to Canada if you weren't happy with US. That's not exactly a statement one would make if one truly believed Linux is great. Unless of course he means Linux is great because it's cheap and inexpensive for servers and similar, and not actual desktop Linux.

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I found the game I spoke of: Heart of Darkness

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Tina looks like little sister of a boy in a other video game. The other game is a boy who who has a similar looking helmet with a shock gun and a dog following him. Surrounding where he is are shadow like figures trying to get him. I can't search that game up to show.

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