I am a Scotsman. How dare you! :D

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Feels like we're going round in circles. I've said as much as I can on this subject.

Before I duck out, this is interesting though: "I'm saying we should not automatically be judged as part of one group just because we're not part of another". That exactly what's happening what's happening to some people every day. Every day. And when they point this out, they become the enemy.

All I'm saying is that we all need a bit of introspection to make any real change on this. And, you know, since this won't happen as "humanity", we need CoCs.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: tuubiWill these people change if he calls me and the majority of the world's population "abusers"? Maybe it's a language barrier thing, but that's a serious accusation where I come from.

Sorry, I honestly don't see where Syldat has done so?

Quoting: TheSyldatYou just illustrated my previous points exactly with that very comment a knee jerk reaction that everybody have when they are told "if you're not LGBTQ then yes like it or not you're part of an overarching group that has been abuser" and somehow this is us classifying you as "an enemy" . No not an ennemy an abuser there is clear distinct difference but apparently you don't know that there is one ...

Thanks.

This relates to the point I was addressing earlier when I spoke about #metoo: you're NOT being accused of "being an abuser", you're being shown that you're part of a group which is commonly an abuser.

And asking for leniency or distinction while still part of that group... keeps you (in a tiny way) as part of that group. Only WE (the group) can change this. This shouldn't be thrown back at the abused. Their opinion of the abuser group is utterly irrelevant too, except that it's typically used as a trigger for the abuser group to become EVEN MORE abusive.

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Quoting: liamdaweFrom the developer on Twitter [External Link]:

Remind me tomorrow to mention Linux sales are 5x times Mac sales (though it did have a 2 month lead).

Feels nice that Linux has the time-based lead for a change. It's also telling that the dev here is willing to admit that time-based leads make a significant difference. We've been saying that, as Linux users, for years.

[EDIT: Also, you might as well buy it on Itch.io, since you get a Steam key for free there, as well as access to the game via the Itch client, and direct download.]

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Quoting: scaineAgain, this isn't about Syldat, but about other people's reaction. Some of these people won't change.

Will these people change if he calls me and the majority of the world's population "abusers"? Maybe it's a language barrier thing, but that's a serious accusation where I come from.

Sorry, I honestly don't see where Syldat has done so? You both discussed religious foundation for abuse and bias for a bit, but I have to admit I skimmed most of that. Religion isn't my thing.

But to answer you question, "will they change", no they won't. My support of Syldat on this one point is that even if s/he was fully respectful and polite back as you suggest, they STILL won't change. That's incredibly tiring, knowing that something is so futile and still having to take the moral high ground constantly, while enduring withering personal attacks. And the moment they buckle and respond, THEY are the bad guy.

Hence, CoC should help with that.

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We are talking? Talk away. Sometimes it's interesting to listen too. You're not though - your two questions to Syldat were "do you" and "are you willing", and I responded to you, about that.

And I responded because I do find this interesting. As a CIS, hetero, middle-aged white male, I'm part of this entire problem and I'd love to see a solution present itself. I just don't think one will present itself if we keep pushing responsibility for that solution on the targets of our own internal biases.

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Again, this isn't about Syldat, but about other people's reaction. Some of these people won't change.

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Quoting: baccilus@TheSyldat, this tribal mindset is very negative. For people to look beyond your gender identity, you will have to do so too.

You're missing the point. Many people won't 'look beyond' a gender identity. Ever. Your comment I quoted is pushing 'blame' for this situation back on Syldat, exactly as I described in my earlier post. It's natural to want how to do so, but this isn't something that Syldat has to or even can change, it's everyone else and, since many won't, that's why a CoC can help.

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I can see both sides. When #metoo was initially happening, it was really hard not to give it the whole "not all men" narrative, because, hey, I'm a man, and #metoo felt like I was being bundled into the abuser category simply because of my sex.

But by saying "not all men", I'm effectively asking affected woman to stop, calm down, and positively re-enforce my ego because I feel attacked by your venting.

And that continues to make me part of the problem! So the irony of saying "not all men" is that you've re-enforced that, yes, in little ways, it really is all men.

On the other hand, we do feel attacked when we're "attacked" for things over which we have no control - sex, skin colour, gender identity, whatever.

It's complex. If you're truly trying to be inclusive and empathetic, I think the best thing you can do for someone in this position, even when you feel attacked yourself, is to say, "I hear you. How can I help?".

And that's hard enough to do in person for someone you truly love, let alone to near-strangers on the internet.

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I had such high hopes for Wayland. Then nothing visibly happened for nearly a decade and only in the past year or so we're seeing talk of it becoming a thing (as an end-user - of course, lots of talk about it in development circles). Except, I run Nvidia, so that's pretty much that.

As for "Nvidia will support Wayland when their customer base demands it", well maybe. But I won't be demanding it - X works just fine here and I can't see any benefit in moving to Wayland. Things like "it's more secure" don't matter much on a single-user system and if you're telling me Wine is broken on Wayland, well Wine is way more important to me than an immature-but-somehow-more-secure graphics stack.

I want what works. Wayland feels like a solution a problem that doesn't really even apply today.

I thought it would give us seamless discrete card switching, better multi-monitor, smooth window scrolling everywhere, better switching into/out of fullscreen games, less tearing, more reliability. In fact, none of that has really happened. Indeed, Canonical found it less reliable and more likely to crash the whole session.

I see the point of it (cleaner code, more modern architecture), I just don't see why people care so much when it all boils down to is "it's cleaner behind the scenes". Especially when it actually brings major pain points to actually deal with - all the DEs having to support branches which support Wayland, no network support, no driver compatibility.

I feels weird to me.

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