Quoting: Guestthere are a couple of games on Stadia using Proton as well.

Small correction. No games on Stadia use Proton, but it is possible that some use dxvk/vkd3d native.

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Quoting: GuestIt's actually quite a bit more of market share than they are giving it credit for. If they support Proton/Wine, it allows anyone with Wine to play their game. This includes but isn't limited to, x86/ARM Linux, FreeBSD, x86 OSX, ARM OSX, and so on.

And Amazon will soon be using Proton on their streaming service too.

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Quoting: EhvisI had no idea about the two EAC versions though. So thanks to these devs for clarifying that. And I'm very curious if something more is going to be done with this.

So for the one version of EAC it literally is just an SDK update and then a "few clicks", but nobody seems to have bothered to mention that there's an entirely other version of EAC that is used by a most current games that is completely unsupported. I do suspect that EAC will eventually be deprecating the non-EOS version though as keeping two codebases up to date seems like an unnecessary waste of resources.

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Quoting: rustybroomhandleAlthough suddenly requiring their entire base to authenticate via Epic is not something I would want for my users. They should insist Epic fix this or not do it at all.

EAC with EOS that is the new version talked in this article doesn't require any login at all for the users.

So the devs here may be talking out their butts? Either way, we should probably not expect too many older games that use EAC to switch over.

I also still do not see what the point is of sticking to older anticheat solutions because surely that's the one thing you need to be up to date.

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Yeah, this very much sounds like it's just scummy behaviour by Epic.

If I were them I would not bother doing the work to integrate a completely different version of EAC. Sounds like they might as well just drop EAC and switch to a different solution like BattlEye.

for an honestly tiny market share that was (and would remain) unsupported from the get go

Do they not realize that this is for the Steam Deck? Thinking of it simply as "Linux" is kicking themselves in the balls. Although suddenly requiring their entire base to authenticate via Epic is not something I would want for my users. They should insist Epic fix this or not do it at all.

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Quoting: rustybroomhandle

Quoting: damarrinIt's Kudu or Kudo?

Kudu. It's a type of antelope.

Kudu means "should be" in Javanese.

In this case it's definitely the buck because System76 have a habit of naming things after African animals. See also Meerkat and Pangolin.

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This application uses the phrase "our competition". This is not strictly wrong, there's always some competing for market share. But it also points to a misguided attitude about Linux/open source. No matter what your distro/tech is, we're all pulling the same cart. It's an ecosystem to which all must contribute and nurture.

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Quoting: damarrinIt's Kudu or Kudo?

Kudu. It's a type of antelope.

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Quoting: elmapulhow many of those are online games that work thanks to valve anti cheat aproach?

So far, 1. Some of those have announced they will be switching on anticheat for Proton, but even then it's only a tiny few.

EDIT: there is 1, not 0

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Quoting: rustybroomhandleValve is making a huge mistake though trusting game developers/publishers to just enable anticheat for Proton on their games. I still think hardly any of them will bother. Does not matter how easy Valve makes it.

What exactly do you propose as an alternative? Valve can't put working-on-Linux anti-cheat into other developer's games. They can't de-list games that don't work on Linux, since for all the strategic importance that Linux gaming has for Valve almost all of their money comes from Windows gamers. They can't ban anti-cheat from Steam and make the choice into put your game on Steam and have a load of cheaters, or put your game onto the store of an anti-cheat vendor and don't. Valve did succeed in encouraging developers to make native Linux games, but they couldn't entice the majority, and those games didn't have anti-cheat despite native anti-cheat having worked for years.

The carrot of making it really easy to do and the stick of not having the exposure of being on a highly desirable device are the tools that they have available to them.

Valve already did their part. It's not their responsibility. Consumers should just know where the blame lies. It's not the fault of Valve or the operating system, but falls squarely in the laps of the devs/studios now. But maybe Valve should not have bothered since seemingly nobody else is going to.

As for enabling it and potentially dropping in loads of cheaters. Linux users make up just 1% of Steam, not all of whom will be playing all the games, and I can't imagine too many of them being cheaters. It's a gamble for sure, but a fairly low risk one.

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