Quoting: minidou

You're running mesa from git to get VK_NV_device_generated_commands_compute for optimal performance.

I suppose it's going to make its way to mesa 23.2 that is around the corner.

Performance is disappointing so far, in the 90s with the low preset but it looks straight out of 2004. medium preset cannot hold 60 fps.
Ryzen™ 9 3900X + RX 5700 XT, Linux 6.4.12-zen1-1-zen + mesa 23.1.6

Turns out the game is also heavily CPU limited. I'd recommend you watch and apply the tuning guides from Hardware Unboxed, their optimal performance settings is basically slightly better than Medium graphics that runs 20-30% better. Then you can also bump up render resolution a bit to make it just that little bit crisper.

The gist is for Medium, bump up "Indirect Lighting", "Crowd Density", "Grass Quality" and then bump down "Volumetric Lighting", "Motion Blur", "Contact Shadows".
I had to bump down "Reflections" as well as indoor scenes that have a lot of reflections really struggled on my system (which is basically like yours, just 20-30% weaker overall)

Then I could bump up render resolution from 50% to 60% and it definitely looks better for about the same performance than Medium preset. (This is for 4k screen on Renoir + RX5600m laptop, if your render resolution is 1440p you should probably bump render scaling to 70% for a crisper image)

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Quoting: grigi

Quoting: Mangojuicedrinker

Quoting: drlambSections of New Atlantis are the only areas I've seen sub 60FPS @ 1440P maxed out (no FSR) on my system.

Edit: Kernel 6.5 + mesa-git

It honestly has me eying an AM5/DDR5 + 7800X3D upgrade but I think I'll wait for the inevitable performance fixes as the 5800X3D should be able to hold me over until I upgrade my rig for Fable (self-imposed goal).

I'm on AM5 7900X3D (and 6900 xt) believe me it is not very good at all (New Atlantic 1440p Ultra with optimization mods from nexuxmods, falls to 50 fps constantly and struggles to maintain 60 with 99% GPU load with occasional 70-90 fps in close quarters.. though gpu is under-volted and power-limited and cpu is not overclocked either.. turning on FSR gives me a mighty [up to] 6 fps more lol). This game is absolutely not optimized and is a disaster (so a normal 2023 AAA release). AMD get your money back lol!

I think your expectations are just plain weird. Don't play on Ultra. Look at the Hardware Unboxed tuning guide, you can get quite a bit of extra performance by tuning some of the settings and it will look nearly identical.

I am actually impressed at how well the game runs considering the hardware I have.

yeah nowadays a game merely "running" is considered "good enough" by majority of ppl thanks to repeated disastrous game release one after the other. People have no expectations at all.

IMO in 2023, 120 FPS should be considered "good". And real 120 not fake frame/upscale clown fiesta.
On top of that, Starfield looks by no means justify its hardware demands. Nowadays only $1K+ GPU owners can truly enjoy "smooth" pc gaming due to lack of care on game devs' side to optimize. Not to mention Intel/Nvidia owners disaster.

nowadays huh? All I care about is that I'm enjoying it.

Is it super optimized? I doubt it, but Bethesda (the RPG Bethesda, not the old-Id Bethesda) was never good at making games run incredibly smoothly, their specialty is in building large complex worlds. Starfield is a lot less buggy than anything they released since Fallout 3.

And the Nvidia/Intel "disaster" you're talking about seems to be:
* The game is not even technically "out" yet. So this is technically still early access.
* Yes, they probably didn't do a thorough check on Intel GPUs, as they seemingly left Intel to fix the issues by themselves.
* They clearly tested on Nvidia on Windows, and involved them because Nvidia released fixed drivers mentioning Starfield a week early. Why is under performing? Apparently because Nvidia has been re-allocating software devs from GPU divisions to AI divisions. Also Nvidia is much more interested in playing the blame game with their "AMD Being anticompetitive again" marketing. (which is complete nonsense)
* Nvidia on Linux, seems the 535 drivers broke tons of stuff, so that's entirely on Nvidia as well.

So, just enjoy the game. Or keep on trolling if that's your fancy.

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Quoting: Mangojuicedrinker

Quoting: drlambSections of New Atlantis are the only areas I've seen sub 60FPS @ 1440P maxed out (no FSR) on my system.

Edit: Kernel 6.5 + mesa-git

It honestly has me eying an AM5/DDR5 + 7800X3D upgrade but I think I'll wait for the inevitable performance fixes as the 5800X3D should be able to hold me over until I upgrade my rig for Fable (self-imposed goal).

I'm on AM5 7900X3D (and 6900 xt) believe me it is not very good at all (New Atlantic 1440p Ultra with optimization mods from nexuxmods, falls to 50 fps constantly and struggles to maintain 60 with 99% GPU load with occasional 70-90 fps in close quarters.. though gpu is under-volted and power-limited and cpu is not overclocked either.. turning on FSR gives me a mighty [up to] 6 fps more lol). This game is absolutely not optimized and is a disaster (so a normal 2023 AAA release). AMD get your money back lol!

I think your expectations are just plain weird. Don't play on Ultra. Look at the Hardware Unboxed tuning guide, you can get quite a bit of extra performance by tuning some of the settings and it will look nearly identical.

I am actually impressed at how well the game runs considering the hardware I have.

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Ok, feedback on running it on Mesa git.
Yes, it's definitely more performant.

BUT

I'm having glitches all over the place, so I'm downgrading to mesa 23.2rc2 again.

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I've been running it happily on my RX 5600m PRIME setup and it's been pretty solid on medium on my external 4k monitor. getting >30fps pretty much all the time.

Turns out I'm running on Mesa 23.2.0_rc2, which might explain why it just seemed to work fine for me.

I'll try mesa git out to see if that helps in any way.

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Looking at the old/new visual differences, I feel like the new RTX version doesn't capture the same kind of feel as the original.
Also, I'm totally uninterested in the push for proprietary vendor-locked software.

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I also do think the full chip (The N300) would have been a better choice.
I suspect full N300's are just much more expensive as they are top-bin dies. Also since it has more cores, it probably has a higher effective TDP. Maybe the reason the price is so reasonable is because Intel has low yields on the full chips and the N200 bin is extremely common.

The size of the device is about right for a chromebook replacement, and the price is about right as well.
I mean £500 for a 12" 3K system with ½Gig of storage and keyboard is very decent.

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This is looking interesting, unfortunately it's not something I can see myself using much. Maybe if it had a better iGPU it would be interesting as small/cheap notebooks for the kids.
I see the N200 is a cut-down N300 where Intel disabled half the cores and reduced the clockspeed of the iGPU by 40%. That would have made this notably more capable as an office machine.

On a different topic, I'm still waiting for my Byte preorder from them. Does anyone have an idea when they will start shipping those?

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I just fed the kids and the email that declares orders opening up came in.
Considering I have been holding off on upgrading my half broken notebook because I wanted something that would be supported on Linux (and the FW16 is just plain cool in how repairable/upgradeable it is) I already had a budget and everything set aside.

So, instantly tried to order one.

And the site went down.
Kept on trying, and I managed to get a Batch 1 reservation in! Yay!

In the first hour they sold out batches 1 & 2, and 3 followed in the next hour.
Crazy fast sales.

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Quoting: grigiWas thinking this would be good for a backup server as it has a 2.5" sata bay, and have plenty of processing power left for a home-assistant server (and/or software router).

Correction, turns out the 2.5" SATA drive is mounted on-top of the device, which is fine as it still uses an internal connector.
This is fine for what I intend to use it as, so I'm fine with it.

Always good to support the small-time suppliers when you can :smile:

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