Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: slaapliedjeIt's also gotten a LOT better than it used to be, some things are just simply 'pacman -S gnome' and you get gnome. I think it takes me about 20 minutes to do a net install of Debian, and maybe another 10m after that of configuring it how I like it. Arch takes maybe an hour for both. Though with Arch, you should have a phone or some other device to read wikis while installing :)

Quoting: ScooptaThe Debian installer bugs me. It doesn't let me setup my system the way I want. It has a habit of telling me the thing I'm trying to do won't work and that I can't do it when I can. I just don't use it anymore, I have a Debian disk with debootstrap on it and I just install Debian the same way most people do Arch. It lets me get Sid right from the start and it doesn't get in my way. It's also not terribly difficult if you're familiar enough with Linux.

While I'm sure those scenarios are fine for you guys and you get a great system out of it and all that, you can see why Valve wouldn't be wanting to put their muscle behind advising the general gaming public to go with that, right?

uh oh.. here we go xP

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Quoting: PieOrCake

Quoting: Mountain ManAt this point, what is the best Ubuntu alternative?

I've had exactly one problem with Manjaro since I switched right after Ubuntu's first announcement dropping 32bit support, and I found the solution in two minutes using a quick search on DuckDuckGo.

two words: arch. wiki. =P''

arch itself may not be the most nubb-friendly...unless you're a nubb that wants to systematically become more confident, for which case, i'm beginning to think, it's probably one of the most noob-friendly distros around, oddly enough... Owo yknow for all the reputation i keep hearing it has.

but while i don't like everything manjaro ships with, it does let you download, install and use a desktop OS all on the same day- AND do so without writing anything on your arm, which is pretty neat xP'

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Quoting: GuestYup, I'm on board with Steam, it's funny cause at one time I was really against them, amazing what supporting linux did for their image :3

thing is i hate DRM so, and started out a huge steam-hater... but the amount of love they give linux...sigh =w= sometimes it hurts to realize someone's gotten under your skin, i guess ...and they DO have some drm-free games .w. the handsome bastards. wouuoooo

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Quoting: razing32I believe Bryan Lunduke spoke about this in one of his Linux Sucks talks(name is ironic)
It is a two sided coin , a blessing and a curse.
People can modify something like Gnome all they want or they can fork it into Mate and Cinammon.
Same is true for distros. People can stick with one distro and customize it to their liking or fork/make their own.
The good thing is anybody is free to do what they want.
The bad thing is less manpower across the board.
Don't think this will go away any time soon.

i hope it doesn't =P

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!! of all the- Owo it's the first one i played.. and i remember it got so much hate from the older fans, but i still love it so. hell, i really hope this goes somewhere. they say they started this before a remaster was announced.. makes sense. tbh i would be tempted to get involved in modding this one. damn. I WON'T HAVE IT! *strikes at the air* I WON'T HAVE ANYONE SPEAK OF IT IN THE PAST TENSE!

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Quoting: GuestI care very little. I have read the full statement and it is clear to me that damage control continues.

They still tell me to my face i shouldn't use the 32 bit software i am currently using. Either i am a miscreant or simply an insignificant edge case. And long live to snaps. They are right, we are wrong. They did not fuck up, they are being magnanimous with us. Whether one finds this satisfying or not, it is not a U-turn.

So, i have one year and half to work out a solution with another distro which is plenty enough.

Me too, i am curious about what valve will say. Whether Canonical's compromise will work out well enough or not for steam games, i doubt Valve will accept to depend on Canonical whims.

I would be surprised we get a final answer soon after having read one of their comments about the lack of real desktop distro. My guess is they have already been looking for a while.

indeed this is not a u-turn, but only a postponing of the same "intentions," as Patola rightly pointed out earlier, that were never clearly stated as a public announcement (rather what sounded to nearly everyone like an announcement that i386 install images would be axed, which isn't even close to the same thing).

i also don't think the form this postponing is planned to take is going to go off without many hitches either. users will likely best be served to avoid ubuntu entirely if they don't want to hit any snags.

Quoting: GuestMaybe I'm paranoid but I think this is actually about Canonical trying to force everyone to use Snaps, and they probably think they have the weight to do it, but if that's the case they're delusional.

not paranoia, the evidence is there and being filtered through your experiences to afford you the intuition of a likely answer. it's just your brain functioning, and i'm wondering the same about their angles ;3 it's not like canonical has a history of trying to get people invested in their own separate project ecosystems /s mhmhhaha

the discussions linked by f.ultra also make this rollout of news, etc, and this light-backpedaling look that much more amateur, frankly. the whole thing smacks of carelessness, and not about all topics entirely, but about some very important consequences. are valve and codeweavers not interested? surely if ubuntu desktop adoption and growth are part of canonical's vision, they would be considered fairly important factors. Owo

if canonical wanted valve to support 32-bit-support monetarily, was this the best decided approach? maybe i'm stupid, but i can't tell what parts of any of this make coherent sense.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: RCLCommercial distro designed for gaming would by definition incorporate closed source software so it would be neither, and as such it would have a much harder time attracting users.

Linux users won't appreciate a distro, that pushes for blobs (besides games themselves).

and this is also a lil off-topic, but let me clarify the position to those who said they're ok with paying devs: loving foss software != hating free markets, devs being paid, etc. that's actually a destructive falsehood.

i don't see how a subscription can work in open source apart from subscribing to devs as opposed to the software, which we fully support and is the current situation we have, and why i said he can pay for any project he likes and influence the direction. and i'd not expect the merits of open source (for both consumers and developers) need explaining to users on a gamingonlinux forum Owo either way i won't do it here.

as for a closed-source gaming os? ... i hear windows is wonderfully optimized for gaming..? xP but it's not subscription yet

Edit: i do think some popular distros could get far by adding feature votes, bounties, etc, on a very visible and linked-to page in a pretty and easy-to-access way for normies. it's a marketing/management thing.

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Quoting: barotto

Quoting: doomiebabytell that to licensees of ARM, ROFL x3

ARM's ISA has very little to do with the efficency of their CPUs, it's mostly (all?) due to the microarchitecture designs.

The best ARM implementation is currently Apple's A12, and here's the reason why it's so efficient:
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/9midcx/apple_really_undersold_the_a12_cpu_its_almost/ [External Link]
TL;DR: it's very wide with a very big cache, nothing to do with the ISA.

There's no need to change the x86 ISA and break the compatibility with every piece of software written in the last 40 years.

EDIT: fun fact, Intel will go wider with their next uarch Sunny Cove, we will see how that will go (probably very well) and how AMD's Zen3 will respond.

wasn't tl, but i won't take this too far off-topic

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Quoting: barotto

Quoting: ElectroDDwe're reaching the end of what we can do with the x86 from what I heard

And where did you hear that exactly?
Last time I checked ISA's don't matter much on modern microarchitectures.

tell that to licensees of ARM, ROFL x3

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Quoting: BlackBloodRumThe good news is, Linux is not-alike Windows, in that we're not all tied to one specific distro.

Non-Linux users will often comment "Linux is too fragmented" with too many distributions to become mainstream. That, Linux having so many distros is a bad thing.

Well, to be honest. Steam and Canonical have just highlighted one of the reasons that we do have so many distros. It gives us the ability to quickly move on to a new distro when we're not happy with what's going on with our current.

Though, to be fair, I do not use uBuntu (never did). So I'm not overly bothered by their decision. But I can certainly understand how it will affect many people.

Go Fedora, Go Arch, Go Debian, Go Slackware, go wherever you feel comfortable next. Linux is great like that, you're never tied down.

A moment I am proud to have supported only Linux since 2003. As this demonstrates our ability to keep moving. A happy Fedora, Arch, CentOS user* here. :).

* I usually pick my distro based on the usage needed for a particular system.

and why i and people with my mindset are wary of any systems or structures that don't respect free will, honesty and real trustless choice/accountability; such systems are tyrannical in nature. this is indeed one of the biggest reasons i run linux; i can put my money and time with whomever i want, and don't get dragged into suffering by some 51% ...nuff said =P''

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