Quoting: 3zekielIndeed, but I was referring the original question "Is it impossible for my graphics card vendor to do full Wayland support while keeping its driver closed?"

I think the overall answer is it's impossible, because kernel developers have strict rules now against "symbol poisoning". Nvidia for years tried to dance around it, and with various tricks they managed to skirt the issue for some things, but they can't avoid it completely from what I understand.

I also find it despicable for a huge company like Nvidia to play these games instead of working with kernel developers properly like AMD and Intel do.

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Quoting: BielFPsI wish this was the case, but there's a lot of fanboys using Linux who are defending Nvidia, even when it's obviously their fault that wayland don't work with their graphic cards. Even a half-arsed "fix" from them is more than enough to make a lot of linux gamers to still give them money.

That's usually the perception of those who come from Windows and there indeed Nvidia is very dominating and people really don't care about whether something is open source or not. So when such gamers are switching to Linux they can also bring that kind of attitude with them, but even they often get what the point is eventually.

The way I see it, the actual trend among Linux gamers is growth for AMD and decline for Nvidia. But influx of former Windows gamers might continue to offset that.

I think with AMD investing more in gaming cards in general, situation on Windows will balance out too, so that influx will have less of an impact on Linux in the future.

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Good, but coming from Nvidia with their money I'd count it as too little too late to affect how Linux gamers will perceive them. Judging by the trend of GOL stats, Nvidia usage is still the majority but it's continuously falling giving place to AMD. Nothing short of Nvidia supporting proper open source drivers will help them in this regard.

Regrading Wayland itself - now the big missing piece is Wayland support in Wine.

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Does it mean Epic games have no DRM? How would an open source solution work otherwise?

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Quoting: bingusTrue, but looks like its on the way [External Link] Shmerl.

I don't think they can fix the situation with dma-buf as long as they refuse to cooperate with the Linux kernel and upstream their driver. Kernel developers already rejected such kind of "symbol poisoning" in the past.

And that's just one symptom that underlines the actual issue. Nvidia can fix things - let them upstream their driver or simply start supporting Nouveau which already exists in the kernel. But they don't want to, so I don't see the situation getting better any time soon.

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I've been using application dashboard instead of application launcher menu for a long time (you can easily switch to it by right clicking on the menu button and clicking "Show alternatives". That new launcher looks similar.

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Nvidia problems are far from limited to EGLsreams. For example they can't use dma-buf.

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Quoting: aokamiI remember a short while ago looking into Wayland, wasn't Nvidia hindering Wayland adoption because of a few things they don't support in their drivers or things they did wrong ? Can't quite exactly remember what was it about (VA API or VDPAU ?)
Or is this completely irrelevant and speaking nonsense ?

I'd say if you want to use Wayland which is the direction of the modern Linux desktop, ditching Nvidia should be the first step.

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Quoting: The_Aquabatmy biggest gripe with Wayland and Plasma is Kmail not working on the box that you read messages there's a transparent box... useless.

It's working now for me with latest Plasma, I tested it very recently.

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It doesn't have adaptive sync either yet as far as I know.

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