Wow... Steam Cloud Gaming will support other cloud services!? nVidia GeForce Now!? EA back?! Perhaps also worldwide accessibility on premiere? If yes - it sounds like "shoot it the head" (in fact - several shots in a row;) for Google Stadia...

Google Stadia:

* embarrassing small game database
* online only without download option
* game prices are the same, even that competition has offline option
* very poor availability (only in few countries)

If Google will not reconsider their stupid decision about not provide download/offline version of their games - I think that Stadia will be very good candidate for gcemetery.co [External Link] in very short time frame...

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Quoting: GuestNvidia: releases the driver with the hardware on the same day, even for linux.
AMD: "We are targeting a launch day driver [for Linux] but Windows obviously takes priority"(https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/07/02/will-amd-radeon-rx-5700xt-graphics-cards-support-linux-gaming/#4e6d19043af9 [External Link])

You are looking on it in bad way. nVidia is not supporting open-source at all - for example Pascal cards could only display 2D graphics without 3D support... Yes, there is extremely proprietary nVidia driver that in theory "just works". In reality yes - it "just works" with games, but meantime it is creating many weird glitches/errors in many, many applications and situations (like glitches after resume from hibernation). I know what I'm saying because I still have nVidia GeForce 1070, but definitely my next GPU will be AMD (or Intel Xe if it will be good enough), because they are supporting open-source and EVERYTHING on Linux - not only 3D and games...

With AMD is very different story. They have their own proprietary and open drivers and yes - they did not managed to prepare it on time for distributions today used by users (like Fedora 30, Ubuntu 9.04, etc). But Red Hat and Valve did it with RADV, so drivers are available but at this point not with "user friendly" install. Yes, it is unfortunate, but - at least if someone really need it - it is already accessible. "Normal users" need to wait for next edition of distributions like Fedora 31, etc.

In the future there will be another GPU 3D capable with open-source support - Intel Xe. It looks like Intel will manage to prepare drivers many months before GPU premiere, so situation should be much better than with AMD today.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: F.UltraThis is how things are done and decided in the real world all the time, the only difference now is that the immature Linux fanbase for some reason decided to run around in circles screaming that the world was ending.

You mean like Microsoft gave up 32 bit support? And enforced UWP only? Oops...

So tell me when Canonical gave up 32-bit support and enforced UWP only. Oh that it right this very thread exists only because Canonical decided to not give up 32-bit support.

What ever this now have to do with Microsoft?!

We are talking about Ubuntu reverting their decision to not properly supporting 32 bit software anymore. You've said others were doing such stuff all the time. That's where Microsoft comes to mind quite naturally. Giving up 32 bits and enforcing UWP are two examples of stuff they couldn't do due to software that must be supported.

True. The real reason why Steam Linux even come into existence is Windows8/RT - Microsoft attempt to force users to use MetroStore only. Because of it Valve decided to prepare Steam for Linux and later - SteamOS for Steam Machines (but sadly they abandoned it).

Microsoft failed extremly - because of community backlash, Microsoft abandoned WinRT plus relased Win8.1 where MetroUI was not enforced by default. Win10 - Metro still exist, but now it is not full screen and it pretend to look like win32 apps. Even that - users and devs still do not like it, so Microsoft recently annonced that they will start accepting win32 games/applications in MetroStore.

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Good that Canonical changed their bad decision, but anyway - it means that "Linux desktop" situation is much worse than I thought:(

Sad, very sad situation. It is well known that Canonical is not serious company, but such absurd situation also harmed Valve reputation (at least from Linux enthusiasts perspective).

It is oblivious that Canonical took this decision without consultation with Valve. It means - there is no agreement between Canonical-Valve. No agreement at all!!! Valve set Ubuntu as "recommended distribution" for game developers and Linux users WITHOUT any serious agreement with Canonical to protect their investment!

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Quoting: sarmadDamn it. For a second I thought I was reading "Steam Machines 2" and got excited.

At first I also thought that it is about Steam Machines 2... I thought: "YES!!! Finally Valve did it!!" Such info would be quite reasonable especially now - after recent PS5, new XboX, new AMD hardware and generally many E3 announcements. Unfortunately not true:(

I quite disappointed... Recently Valve started selling very expensive Valve Index. Great, but this VR package is not complete - they forgot about PC for it (something like Steam Machine 2 Pro VR Edition;) and more importantly - they forgot to announce some AAA game for this VR hardware... It doesn't make sense - who will buy it? Especially that they also forgot add "less accurate but easy to start mode", I mean this VR REQUIRE install and configure base stations - there is no option to play it without it:( I wanted to buy it, but without games, and without easy way to share it with friends - sorry Valve - no buy this time:(

But they will update Steam GUI somewhere in the end of 2019 and perhaps they will publish Dota2 mod as standalone game - hooray! ;)

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OK, but where is any kind of a new information in it? Except shipping date - nothing. So in my opinion it is not leak, but "clever" marketing.

Or maybe... This "leak" is for reconcile users that it will be sold in the same way like it is HTC Vive Pro sold. I mean - it will be expensive. Very expensive. In VivePro/Apple way - every component sold separately with insane price. HTC at least have old Vive "budget" version...

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Quoting: lqe5433Of course it will be heavy DRM-ed, but hey on Steam you also just 'rent' your games. Nobody know what would happen with your library if Steam went bankrupt.

Not exactly the same. Some Steam games do not have DRM (i.e. Valve is not forcing publishers to require Steam DRM checks). Rest of them - yes, they are using Steam DRM (plus second, third-party DRM like uplay), but... in 99% there is already crack available... Yes, I know that using crack is "not cool", but in case of "Valve bankrupts" - using crack would be understandable. There will be no easy way to download game from Stadia and crack it (except leaked games from compromised Stadia servers, but it is Google - probably they will be very well protected).

PS. I think that "Valve bankrupts" is not the worst scenario. In fact, more probably is that Valve will be bought by some greedy big corporation like Microsoft, Facebook or Google and then "Steam going to be subscription based only". But even then - crack will do there work;)

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Google provided no information about: how much it will cost for publishers/developers? And more importantly how much it will cost players? It will be "buy once" approach or subscription based? Probably subscription based but how much games I will have in this subscription? All "stadia powered" games?

Or maybe subscription based payment for stadia account plus "buy once" approach per every single AAA game? Probably it is what Google and developers would enjoy the most (plus of course adding micro-transactions on top of it;) If yes - I do not think that it will be big success... Especially that it will be rental, so after developer or license vanish - bought game also will vanish...

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"I also don't know who thought it would be funny to constantly spam you with messages on the screen."

Heh, very true. Ask GTA5 Online developers - there are PLENTY of repeating phone calls from NPC to do some stupid quests, buy bunkers, etc. Of course you cannot disable them... I know that adverts are necessary in a game mode based on micro-translations, but these phones are much too often! Anyway GTA Online is not working any more via Steam Proton (without workarounds), so problem solved;)

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Quoting: mylka

Quoting: GuestFixes for HITMAN 2?
I played the whole game with Proton and didn't noticed any issues. What was wrong? o.o

i guess this is why. this game runs pretty good with proton and some linux users already played it
same with life is strange 2.
less money for feral

Not entirely true. Feral somewhere mentioned that if game port is announced - you could buy it before Linux release, they will get their money anyway (probably it is some kind of agreement between Feral and publishers). So in case of Life is Strange 2 - they will receive money even if you played it on Linux via Steam Proton before port release. In case of Hitman 2 - port is not announced, so probably you are right and Feral will receive nothing...

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