People chill!! Come on... Just because initiative/lobbying from 1 person, we had to argue like this?

I'm not kernal developers so Code of Conduct isn't directly affecting me. But , here's my suggestion:

This Code of conduct issue MUST bring forward to public forum and debate/discuss it by together in harmony way. That's the way to settle this up. If we outrage like this, it won't gonna bring any meaningful to Linux.

I've seen this type of outrage since systemd fiasco. It's time to Mr. Torvalds, developers, community, etc; to come together and discuss it in proper way. AND not 1 or 2 times, discuss it till we get an resolution to settle this up.

I'm not support or against Code of conduct here (I'm neutral).. But I don't want we creating tribalism bulshit in our Linux community.

p/s: I'm suspicious.. All this bullshit happen on weird time where technology world nearing "the junction" ... Coincidence??

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: lucifertdark

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: lucifertdarkHave they never heard of an ignore button? or a block button? other places if someone is giving you grief you can block their silly ass. This moderating of speech is only going to get worse & one day YOU, yes all of YOU reading this will be on the wrong end of it, because some Social Just-us Wheenie Participation Trophy Winner didn't like the way you said something & reported you to the moderator & they agreed with them.

What's next? banned from the forums then banned from playing the games you've paid for?

I'm going through a years community ban because of some of those types of people hating my guts for disliking denuvo and expressing that on steam forums

All I did was share a screenshot of one of them admitting they've pirated things before to me in a private steam chat, along with another screenshot of them following me to my friends profile to throw abuse at me.

The person was also literally on a Volunteer Moderators steam profile, posting in their comments claiming I was posting their personal information, when all I was posting was that user admitting to piracy, and him and his friends constantly harassing me and baiting me (along with anyone else who dares question denuvo software)

People should be allowed to criticize a game (or a software that game uses) without being harassed, but a lot of folk simply can't handle a game they like being criticized, personally some of my FAVOURITE games are the ones I will criticize the most

https://i.imgur.com/jxMBknZ.png [External Link]

Take a look at that, right? To you, does that post break any rules? It literally didn't break a single rule, yet this person banned me because of a certain person who kept spamming up these volunteer moderators profiles trying to get me in trouble. When I messaged that volunteer moderator back he basically told me to go F myself

Yet the one who reported me, the user has made remarks about people who dislike denuvo being part of the alt-right and being nazis, yet that sort of behavior is somehow allowed. That same user used the recent florida mass shooting to troll some anti-denuvo folk as well, and all the volunteer moderators did was remove the post for the user to allow him to continue trolling

https://i.imgur.com/agWkFC1.png [External Link]

"Any of you trolls have insider information on the Florida shooting" - apparently isn't breaking the rules

I'm sure it's just a coincidence though that he has posts ALL OVER various different volunteer moderators profiles, apparentely brown nosing is acceptable, saying it how it is.. isn't.

I've seen another volunteer moderator admit to changing his profile picture to anime literally just to bait people.

My friend knows someone who got perma-banned from Life is Strange forums for calling the story mediocre.

So in all honesty I don't think official Valve employees can do any worse in censoring things they don't like, voltuneer moderators already do that from my experience. Valves volunteer moderators should be scrapped altogether for people on an actual pay-role to mod the forums.

Sorry for the long post, but I doubt the steam forums will ever be a nice place to have mature discussions about PC gaming, that's why places like GOL are so much better.

BINGO! the rot is already there & it's only going to get worse. They need to get rational people in instead of those who think receiving a partition award is a good thing. Just wait till they start going through all older posts to find something to ban you for that you said 5+ years ago.

Tbh I probably have made some toxic posts myself on steam forums a few years ago, maybe even some on the Sonic Maniaforums, in-fact when that volunteer moderator banned me for that post, I asked him why since the post clearly didn't break any rules and all he kept doing was mentioning previous offenses made years ago on entirely different forums.

I initially only wanted to express that I wanted denuvo removed from my copy of Sonic Mania that I paid for, seeing as how it had already been cracked. It ended up turning into a HUGE shit-show, one that still carries on to this day over a year later. The real trolls in that forum never got banned imo.

But I've always tried to just say it how it is, and as you can see for yourself that user who had it in for me, constantly reporting me.. He used some recent shooting in america to troll people, which is pretty messed up.. yet the moderators don't do anything. I have many screenshots of that same user being VERY active on these moderators profiles, reporting other people.

I know 100% for a fact that if you want to get people banned while also breaking rules yourself, brown-nose the volunteer moderators by posting on their steam profiles. Seemed to work for those guys :-\

This is why I never post anything on Steam. You cannot have any dissent view against the game or it will become like what you'd experience right now. BUT, if you have "licking the butt" attitude, you're basicly got a permanent "free pass". I'd seen this poop getting worse every day based on my observation.

Another sad things is the developers/game companies inaction regarding on this. We don't know either they agree or disagree on this kind of moderation, but generally if you (the devs) staying quiet, you're agree or enabling this to happens. So, It's like they give the community (especially moderators) blessing to keep on going making poops.

p/s: I'm looking on that game's Steam community hub. They agreed to Denuvo? What?!
Yeah, this kind of community behaviour.... probably?

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Quoting: cprnDon't Lenovo and Dell sell their laptops without Windows there? Articles don't seem to change if I switch the region to Malaysia:
https://www.lenovo.com/my/en/faqs/pc-life-faqs/what-is-Linux/ [External Link]
https://www.dell.com/learn/my/en/mydhs1/campaigns/dell-ubuntu-my [External Link]

Yes, AFAIK only HP and Dell selling Linux PCs (mostly Ubuntu, some Dells comes with SUSE), but only on selected dealers/retailers, not available their online store. Not sure about Lenovo.

Also, before Windows 10 launched, some PC models may comes with FreeDOS or no-OS at all. But, after Windows 10, most new PCs comes with pre-bundled Windows 10 or Chrome OS. Only a few such as Acer, Lenovo and Asus still offers no-OS PCs, but again only sell on selected dealers/retailers, not available their online store.

Few years ago, I'd asked the seller why this happens. The reason is MS sells Windows 10 to retailers insanely low price, much cheaper than cracking Windows. So pirating Windows no longer necessary.

That's why I'm loathe Win 10 and afraid MS may locking down S-Mode and MS store mandatory (aka walled garden).

p/s: Here are some popular brands' online store links.

Dell [External Link]
Lenovo [External Link]
HP [External Link]
Acer [External Link]
Asus [External Link]

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Quoting: cprn

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: cprnIt does, I opted out of Windows activation on every single laptop I ever bought for my family, 7 of them IIRC over last 2 years. It's anything between 70 to 100 USD (250 to 350 PLN) depending on Windows version.

Wow, that’s great. Did you ask the laptop manufacturer for the refund? Which brand was it?

Always asked the retailer quoting applicable local consumer protection laws. You need to be a consumer (not a business) and you need OEM software to be a separate position on your laptop invoice. Retailer can't ask for the device back unless they sell the same hardware without OS as well. Retailers just send licenses from refunds back to their distributors.

It's nice to live in country that have strong and ENFORCEABLE consumer protections. If in Malaysia, asking to opt out Windows at any PC shops will be answered by "Windows included in warranty, cannot remove." Even pre-build desktop PC built by PC shops also includes Windows in their warranty.

It's hard to opt out Windows here, unless if you're bought a 2nd hand Desktop/Laptop PC (as most Windows installed on used PC are pirated :P).

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Look forward on what's Democracy 4 challenges has to offer. In Democracy 3, it's hard to maintain the country fiscal, at the same time making everyone especially Capitalists happy in this game.

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Well, Windows 7 EOL getting nearer and nearer.....

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Waiting for my paycheck.... :'(

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Very interesting on how this game will run on my out-of-spec "toaster" PC..

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Any positive coverage on Linux gaming is great! Nuff said..

You know what, right now mainstream gaming news/fans are complaining on Sony who doesn't want their Playstation platform crossplaying with Xbox for days, almost a week now.

At the same time, coverage on new Steam Play features for Linux gaming is like "one hit wonder" news. So, Any mainstream non-gaming media covers on Linux and Linux gaming is great news.

p/s: For some reasons, I a little bit agree with Sony doesn't allowed crossplay with any platform except PC (read: Win & Mac) and mobile devices. Hell, if crossplay is important, why so few games can crossplay-ing with Linux?

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Quoting: axredneck

Quoting: tonRYes, I'd seen severals on extensions.gnome.org. But, I research severals forums especially Ubuntu-related one, sometimes the extension may break the whole OS. I really don't want to take the risk.

Nowadays, I'm value stability. I'd no longer have enough free time to fix my computers like when I was 12-19/20, that's why I use Ubuntu. But, even Ubuntu also sometimes unstable nowadays, I don't know which distros I'll adopt next...

For me Arch is more stable than Ubuntu was when i used it.
edit: also if you need stable DE you can use XFCE.

Agree, Arch nowadays much more stable than Ubuntu. I'm currently "dipping my toes" on Antergos but not ready adopting it full-time yet as still not comfortable on leaving *ubuntu-environment.

I'm more attracted to Lubuntu/LXDE because it looks like ol' skool Windows and can run on majority of old laptops yet still in *ubuntu-environment.

I'm waiting what's best 18.10 can offer. If I'm fed-up with Ubuntu Vanilla, hello Antergos/Lubuntu...

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