Quoting: GuestDestiny 2 is dead to me. I'll wait for the official go ahead to check out Apex Legends.

Apex Legends is not really a similar game at all unless you only play Destiny PvP. There is no PvE content in Apex at all.

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Quoting: omer666For a company that started as a mac-exclusive, it is pretty goofy to be so hostile.

It's not especially hostile. The point is in order to make it work right now, you would have to defeat anti-cheat. Obviously they can't say that's OK.

While I am disappointed that they are not putting in the very little effort it would take to make the game playable on Linux, it's just business.

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Quoting: KithopI mean, has Destiny 2 even been relevant since they started removing people's access to expansion they paid for and then went hard on the monetization bent? I know I stopped playing around the whole New Light F2P thing. :/

Yes. It's still very relevant. It is still one of the most played live service games.

FWIW, I think they remove old content in order to keep the download to a manageable size. People who are paying for the new expansions aren't that excited about running the old missions another thousand times anyway.

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Quoting: elmapul"why i cant play on linux"
"oh, because those games are proprietary and evil ! and made to be windows exclusive!"

It's not because they're proprietary and evil. It's because they are developed to run on one operating system and not another. What Proton does is very quickly approaching magical. Even console gamers understand you can't put an Xbox disc into a Playstation and expect it to work.

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Quoting: Alm888Well, you, as a Linux user, would probably not want to touch Windows. But, as you've stated, this Steam Deck is not aimed at Linux users. It is made for ordinary people. And after all those people find out only 700+ of games from the entire Steam library are actually playable (and most, I assume, would not dare purchase a game blindly without that precious "Verified" badge), I believe, "How to Fix Deck and Install Windows 11" will be the most popular question.

I think you are talking about two different groups of people, honestly. "Ordinary people" do not buy consumer electronics and then try to replace the operating system on them.

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Quoting: areamanplaysgame

Quoting: no_information_hereAs mentioned above, you cannot judge KDE if you installed it over top of a default Gnome setup. This is true the other way around, too.

If it can't perform in that kind of setup, then why is installing more than one DE an option? I have literally never once anywhere seen anyone discourage doing this before.

It is an option because Linux gives you options, even if you hang yourself with them.

You have a few choices here:
a) you can spend the hours needed to fix your dual-DE setup
b) you can listen to advice and avoid things that tend to not work out well
c) you can run something with less options, like MacOS

That's the point, though. I have never seen such advice, and as a matter of fact, I have read a lot of sources on how easy it is to set up and maintain multiple DEs on the same system. Nowhere before this thread have I seen anyone say, "It is not a good idea to install more than one DE on the same system." I am not saying this is not sound advice. I am saying it is advice that no one has ever given me.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: areamanplaysgameBut my actions help them, too!

Yes, but...
* You're not taking a risk, unlike the backers.
* For games coming from Kickstarter, your "help" wouldn't be possible without the backers' in the first place.

Thinking about it, as you seem to overestimate the risk, you should see the first point even clearer.

Yet, by your logic, it isn't risky, and yet is somehow also heroic, to the point that I should be grateful for it.

Do you see how silly this is?

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: areamanplaysgameWhat I said was if you back something on Kickstarter and it fails, you shouldn't be surprised. It happens a lot.

Well, according to the statistics we got here, it seems a success actually happens a lot more.

Quoting: areamanplaysgameAlso, no, I don't think I'm going to thank someone else for doing something in their own self-interest.

Well, if their actions help you as well... But I see you've chosen. *shrug *

But my actions help them, too!

The goal of developing a game is to have a game to sell when development is done. Backing a project on Kickstarter isn't even buying a copy of the game. It's giving devs money in the hopes that they will deliver, which they are *not obligated to do*. It's a supplement to the existing model, not a replacement for it. If no one anticipated demand for the game after it is finished, in the form of people like me buying games, there would be no point in a Kickstarter campaign.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: areamanplaysgameWhat is this? Some kind of guilt trip?

If the games are good and in line with my tastes, I will indeed enjoy them. I don't feel any kind of bad whatsoever for not backing them on a crowdfunding platform. The fact that I pay for them when they exist is enough for me, and should be enough for anyone buying any product.

Well, you might admit that you're actually benefiting from those that - against your repeated explicit advice - backed Linux games in Kickstarter. You could even thank them.

I sure do: Thanks for all those who backed Linux games on Kickstarter.

What I said was if you back something on Kickstarter and it fails, you shouldn't be surprised. It happens a lot.

Also, no, I don't think I'm going to thank someone else for doing something in their own self-interest. Nobody else backed a game on Kickstarter so I could buy it on Steam. Nobody's thanked me for creating demand by buying indie games on Steam, either, and I don't expect them to.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: areamanplaysgameGood point. Enjoy funding the next 10 "failed" or "in development" until it is no longer "in development" Linux games on Kickstarter. I'll stick to paying money for things that someone is actually obligated to deliver.

Enjoy playing the games others have made possible on Kickstarter.

What is this? Some kind of guilt trip?

If the games are good and in line with my tastes, I will indeed enjoy them. I don't feel any kind of bad whatsoever for not backing them on a crowdfunding platform. The fact that I pay for them when they exist is enough for me, and should be enough for anyone buying any product.

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