Quoting: Termy

Quoting: scaineThat's not really particularly fair here. Someone has to pay for multiplayer servers to run. And the core game itself remains playable here, it's only the MP elements that are going away.

Well, with a FOSS-Game there wouldn't be proprietary, unreleased server-side bits so that nobody is able to host their own server ;)

I guess not. But there are plenty of proprietary games even today that allow you to host your own server, anyway. Valheim comes to mind immediately.

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Quoting: areamanplaysgame

Quoting: micke1mHow come "Girls Who Code" need a bunch a money when boys who code don't.

The idea is that boys have traditionally been encouraged to do math and computer science, while girls have traditionally been presumed not to have the aptitude for it and have been discouraged from pursuing interests in it. Whether a "girls who code" fundraiser does much to correct that problem is of course up for debate.

If money from a fundraiser is required to convince them to get into coding maybe they should be doing something else.

Who says the money is to "convince" them?

I hate to say it, but this is starting to look like "tell me you don't like women without telling me you don't like women."

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Quoting: areamanplaysgame

Quoting: omer666

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Quoting: omer666For a company that started as a mac-exclusive, it is pretty goofy to be so hostile.

It's not especially hostile. The point is in order to make it work right now, you would have to defeat anti-cheat. Obviously they can't say that's OK.

While I am disappointed that they are not putting in the very little effort it would take to make the game playable on Linux, it's just business.

When it's just an email away I tend to think of it as such. They could just send the email and tell Linux gamers "Whatever, it's not supported but you're free to try it."
It also supports the idea that we are Schrödinger's gamers, we're not enough for devs to be interested in supporting us but if they enable the anticheat, we'll be millions overnight.

But it's not just an email away. Just getting anti-cheat enabled for the game on Linux may be just an email away, but making sure it works and supporting it require more resources than that. And I hope we are not naive enough to think that a live service game that sells content at premium prices can get away with saying, "We can't support the way you run the game, but you're welcome to try."

I want to reiterate that I am sorely disappointed by the decision. It won't make me not buy the Deck, and it might not even make me not buy more Destiny stuff going forward, but I sure would like to be able to play Destiny on the Deck.

I am not naive, that's basically what id software did with its Linux ports, and that's how Proton works too. Nobody is asking them to "support" Linux, just not to prevent it from working.

id software's Linux ports were released decades ago and were not live service games with paid DLC. And they were not expected to provide working anti-cheat protection.

Anti-cheat really is the issue here. If a single-player game doesn't work on Linux, it's the potential Linux player who loses out. But if anti-cheat doesn't work on Linux, it's the Windows players who are at risk.

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Quoting: micke1mHow come "Girls Who Code" need a bunch a money when boys who code don't.

The idea is that boys have traditionally been encouraged to do math and computer science, while girls have traditionally been presumed not to have the aptitude for it and have been discouraged from pursuing interests in it. Whether a "girls who code" fundraiser does much to correct that problem is of course up for debate.

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Quoting: eldakingBut the Nintendo policy of "no, this game does not exist anymore, forget it and buy the new game" is silly, there should be no reason for this, especially for things like the GBA where emulating the hardware is trivial.

I think Nintendo's position is more like, "This game doesn't exist anymore until we can figure out how to sell it to you again."

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Quoting: SoltrummanKonami posted the same announcement on Castlevania Anniversary Collection but not on their other Classics Collections.

Hopefully just a misunderstanding of SteamOS/Proton on their end.

Japanese companies seem to know/care significantly less about Linux than even the major US publishers do. Also, Konami gives zero shits about video games at this point, so I wouldn't be too concerned with anything they say.

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Quoting: areamanplaysgame

Quoting: GuestDestiny 2 is dead to me. I'll wait for the official go ahead to check out Apex Legends.

Apex Legends is not really a similar game at all unless you only play Destiny PvP. There is no PvE content in Apex at all.

There's always Warframe.

It looks similar superficially, but Warframe is even less like Destiny mechanically than Apex is, and it is absolutely the least welcoming game for new players in existence.

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Quoting: omer666

Quoting: areamanplaysgame

Quoting: omer666For a company that started as a mac-exclusive, it is pretty goofy to be so hostile.

It's not especially hostile. The point is in order to make it work right now, you would have to defeat anti-cheat. Obviously they can't say that's OK.

While I am disappointed that they are not putting in the very little effort it would take to make the game playable on Linux, it's just business.

When it's just an email away I tend to think of it as such. They could just send the email and tell Linux gamers "Whatever, it's not supported but you're free to try it."
It also supports the idea that we are Schrödinger's gamers, we're not enough for devs to be interested in supporting us but if they enable the anticheat, we'll be millions overnight.

But it's not just an email away. Just getting anti-cheat enabled for the game on Linux may be just an email away, but making sure it works and supporting it require more resources than that. And I hope we are not naive enough to think that a live service game that sells content at premium prices can get away with saying, "We can't support the way you run the game, but you're welcome to try."

I want to reiterate that I am sorely disappointed by the decision. It won't make me not buy the Deck, and it might not even make me not buy more Destiny stuff going forward, but I sure would like to be able to play Destiny on the Deck.

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Quoting: crt0mega

Quoting: Liam DaweBy default, it appears that Valve picked Proton 7.0-1 for Valheim to run on Deck, even though it has a fully supported and nicely working native Linux version.

Last time my girlfriend tried to run Valheim native, it didn't run well. There have been several updates since then, maybe we should try it again ^^

The game doesn't perform as well as it should, but I don't think that's just the Linux native build. I think it is poorly optimized on Windows as well, and I would be surprised if running it with Proton improves performance.

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: areamanplaysgame

Quoting: elmapul"why i cant play on linux"
"oh, because those games are proprietary and evil ! and made to be windows exclusive!"

It's not because they're proprietary and evil. It's because they are developed to run on one operating system and not another. What Proton does is very quickly approaching magical. Even console gamers understand you can't put an Xbox disc into a Playstation and expect it to work.

do you know what "quotes" mean?

Yes. Your post was alleging that "they're proprietary and evil, and windows exclusive" is an "excuse" that Linux people use for incompatibility.

It's not. It's a straw man you made up, and in reality, people are aware that different platforms usually run different software.

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