Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: BlackBloodRum

Quoting: areamanplaysgame

Quoting: BlackBloodRumWoah guys, stop with all the hate. Seriously.

I dislike how the Linux community is slowly turning into a bunch of people whining... step back, take a deep breath and calm down.

Now, it's not great that this wasn't immediately ported, and let's face it many of you want to play the new update, want simultaneous updates with Windows and of course, to play online with windows friends.

It's perfectly acceptable to want these things, but here's the thing you have to remember:
Porting houses usually don't get access to the update code until after the windows team has finished their part, by this time usually the update is announced and has a deadline.

Sadly this often means if they run into problems making it work, or anything else which may slow it down, the deadline is easily missed, and the Windows version will always be ready first. That's why it's called a port..

So sit back, wait a little while and calm down.

Complaining and insulting the developers won't make the port happen any faster, in fact it may do the opposite, if you're a developer reading someone talking about you, and you read "These guys can eat shit" and "I'm definitely not buying this now!" will this make you want to keep porting for them?

Nope it'll make you angry and have a low opinion of the people you're doing the work for.

Remember, some of the porting houses have developers who read these comments...

The other platforms Aspyr is charged with porting this to, including Nintendo Switch, already received the update. Nintendo Switch doesn't have cross-platform multiplayer with Windows. Linux and Mac do, and they are now broken with no indication of when they will be fixed. In short, the game I've paid for is currently useless for the reason I bought it, and will be for the foreseeable future. Like I said, I don't even care about the new content. My goal was to continue playing the game that was working until they broke it. I don't care if they "want to keep porting for me" at this point, because they clearly don't value my business enough not to deliberately break the product I paid them for.

Edit: You're right, I shouldn't say they can "eat shit," and I apologize to anyone who was offended by that, including anyone from Aspyr who may be hanging out here. But the rest of what I said still stands. We are consumers just like everyone else, and we are not obligated to be grateful for whatever scraps we get because we're on a platform with lower market share. You know why? Because we are paying just as much as Windows users are paying. We are not being given a gift.

I understand your frustration here, and in some aspects you're absolutely correct, you've bought the game just like any other platform user.

But I believe your anger is misguided. They didn't break your game here, so far as I'm aware they didn't release an update, and that in turn has caused multiplayer to cease working between different game versions.

Now let's step back for a moment and see what's actually happened here.

2K are the primary developers of this game, they are the ones who've created the base game, DLC, and any required version/dlc checks for online play.

It seems to be 2K have released the Windows update (of which, Aspyr have no control over or say in) which has in turn caused multiplayer incompatibilities. No doubt, they were fully aware Aspyr were not ready. But they had announced a date, and had a deadline - and PR, managers etc etc said "Release it for Windows anyway, Linux and Mac users can wait".

It's true Aspyr didn't have the update ready in time, but they didn't do this on purpose, there could well be serious bugs that have caused them to not have the update ready in time, and naturally as I previously mentioned porters get the updates effectively last minute in development terms.

For all we know, 2K could have done a last minute bugfix update to the Windows version a few days prior to release, then sent it over to Aspyr who weren't able to ensure that bugfix works on Linux and Mac too, or it broke something on those platforms.

There are so many factors which can slow it down, it's really not funny. Sadly, Aspyr are not the primary developers, as such they have absolutely no say when a Windows update/DLC is dropped which can break compatibilities with other platforms.

Sad but true.

Unless we were find out exactly how and why this delay occurred, we can't really say it is fair to direct anger at them at this time.

And this is why it always hurts when we get developers who directly support us bought out by competition that will force them to drop said support (like inXile). I kind of always thought that Aspyr was a 'me too!' Porting house, as Feral has done far more for Linux with new tools and adopting Vulkan, etc than Aspyr has.
Guess we'll see how this progresses, but I can't imagine that Firaxis broke the multiplayer code so much that the Switch port would be so different than the Linux port.

I don't believe Firaxis "broke the multiplayer code." The issue here is almost certainly that 2K directed Aspyr to prioritize the console versions over the "alternative PC" versions, or the money flowed in such a way that Aspyr set their own priorities that way. Maybe there is sales data to support that decision, but I have a hard time believing there are that many people who actually want to play a turn-based strategy game with matches that can go for several days on consoles.

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Quoting: randylThe fact is they haven't ported BL2 DLC yet either and they are beyond 'excusably late' on that. Aspyr have shown a growing indifference to the Linux community and have arguably acted in bad faith by not fulfilling their business obligations. And I am not a happy customer about that.

Yeah. I'm sort of curious when the people apologizing for Aspyr think we will be justified in complaining about this. If we wait two weeks and nothing materializes (as we have no real reason to expect it will), can we complain then? Two months? Two years? If we wait two years and then they release a statement saying, "Sorry we never delivered that update, but we're hard at work on the iPhone version of Sid Meier's Civilization VII now, so please buy that instead," do we get to complain then? Or do they still have no accountability?

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Quoting: areamanplaysgame

Quoting: BlackBloodRumWoah guys, stop with all the hate. Seriously.

I dislike how the Linux community is slowly turning into a bunch of people whining... step back, take a deep breath and calm down.

Now, it's not great that this wasn't immediately ported, and let's face it many of you want to play the new update, want simultaneous updates with Windows and of course, to play online with windows friends.

It's perfectly acceptable to want these things, but here's the thing you have to remember:
Porting houses usually don't get access to the update code until after the windows team has finished their part, by this time usually the update is announced and has a deadline.

Sadly this often means if they run into problems making it work, or anything else which may slow it down, the deadline is easily missed, and the Windows version will always be ready first. That's why it's called a port..

So sit back, wait a little while and calm down.

Complaining and insulting the developers won't make the port happen any faster, in fact it may do the opposite, if you're a developer reading someone talking about you, and you read "These guys can eat shit" and "I'm definitely not buying this now!" will this make you want to keep porting for them?

Nope it'll make you angry and have a low opinion of the people you're doing the work for.

Remember, some of the porting houses have developers who read these comments...

The other platforms Aspyr is charged with porting this to, including Nintendo Switch, already received the update. Nintendo Switch doesn't have cross-platform multiplayer with Windows. Linux and Mac do, and they are now broken with no indication of when they will be fixed. In short, the game I've paid for is currently useless for the reason I bought it, and will be for the foreseeable future. Like I said, I don't even care about the new content. My goal was to continue playing the game that was working until they broke it. I don't care if they "want to keep porting for me" at this point, because they clearly don't value my business enough not to deliberately break the product I paid them for.

Edit: You're right, I shouldn't say they can "eat shit," and I apologize to anyone who was offended by that, including anyone from Aspyr who may be hanging out here. But the rest of what I said still stands. We are consumers just like everyone else, and we are not obligated to be grateful for whatever scraps we get because we're on a platform with lower market share. You know why? Because we are paying just as much as Windows users are paying. We are not being given a gift.

I understand your frustration here, and in some aspects you're absolutely correct, you've bought the game just like any other platform user.

But I believe your anger is misguided. They didn't break your game here, so far as I'm aware they didn't release an update, and that in turn has caused multiplayer to cease working between different game versions.

Now let's step back for a moment and see what's actually happened here.

2K are the primary developers of this game, they are the ones who've created the base game, DLC, and any required version/dlc checks for online play.

It seems to be 2K have released the Windows update (of which, Aspyr have no control over or say in) which has in turn caused multiplayer incompatibilities. No doubt, they were fully aware Aspyr were not ready. But they had announced a date, and had a deadline - and PR, managers etc etc said "Release it for Windows anyway, Linux and Mac users can wait".

It's true Aspyr didn't have the update ready in time, but they didn't do this on purpose, there could well be serious bugs that have caused them to not have the update ready in time, and naturally as I previously mentioned porters get the updates effectively last minute in development terms.

For all we know, 2K could have done a last minute bugfix update to the Windows version a few days prior to release, then sent it over to Aspyr who weren't able to ensure that bugfix works on Linux and Mac too, or it broke something on those platforms.

There are so many factors which can slow it down, it's really not funny. Sadly, Aspyr are not the primary developers, as such they have absolutely no say when a Windows update/DLC is dropped which can break compatibilities with other platforms.

Sad but true.

Unless we were find out exactly how and why this delay occurred, we can't really say it is fair to direct anger at them at this time.

2K is the publisher, and they're a pretty bad publisher. I agree with you that Aspyr is not entirely to blame for this; all they did was divert resources to the other platforms they are developing for and leave Mac and Linux users high and dry. There may be more people playing a 4X game on consoles than on Mac and Linux, but I really doubt it. Nevertheless, Aspyr may well have had their priorities set by 2K in this regard.

My anger is not with Aspyr exclusively, but they're not blameless, and it's silly to assert that they are. If they get involved in projects that are handled this way (and their track record as detailed in this thread indicates that there is a pattern here), then I have to assume any other game they port in the future will be as unreliable as this one. Whatever part they played in this fiasco, they benefited financially from a group of customers who didn't get what they paid for. If that hurts their feelings, maybe they should consider what they could've done to avoid this situation.

We absolutely have the right to complain. In my profession, if I take someone's money and then don't do what they hired me to do, I have no right to expect them to hire me again or to be grateful for whatever I do deliver, whenever it gets done. Software developers are not exempt from this rule.

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Quoting: BlackBloodRumWoah guys, stop with all the hate. Seriously.

I dislike how the Linux community is slowly turning into a bunch of people whining... step back, take a deep breath and calm down.

Now, it's not great that this wasn't immediately ported, and let's face it many of you want to play the new update, want simultaneous updates with Windows and of course, to play online with windows friends.

It's perfectly acceptable to want these things, but here's the thing you have to remember:
Porting houses usually don't get access to the update code until after the windows team has finished their part, by this time usually the update is announced and has a deadline.

Sadly this often means if they run into problems making it work, or anything else which may slow it down, the deadline is easily missed, and the Windows version will always be ready first. That's why it's called a port..

So sit back, wait a little while and calm down.

Complaining and insulting the developers won't make the port happen any faster, in fact it may do the opposite, if you're a developer reading someone talking about you, and you read "These guys can eat shit" and "I'm definitely not buying this now!" will this make you want to keep porting for them?

Nope it'll make you angry and have a low opinion of the people you're doing the work for.

Remember, some of the porting houses have developers who read these comments...

The other platforms Aspyr is charged with porting this to, including Nintendo Switch, already received the update. Nintendo Switch doesn't have cross-platform multiplayer with Windows. Linux and Mac do, and they are now broken with no indication of when they will be fixed. In short, the game I've paid for is currently useless for the reason I bought it, and will be for the foreseeable future. Like I said, I don't even care about the new content. My goal was to continue playing the game that was working until they broke it. I don't care if they "want to keep porting for me" at this point, because they clearly don't value my business enough not to deliberately break the product I paid them for.

Edit: You're right, I shouldn't say they can "eat shit," and I apologize to anyone who was offended by that, including anyone from Aspyr who may be hanging out here. But the rest of what I said still stands. We are consumers just like everyone else, and we are not obligated to be grateful for whatever scraps we get because we're on a platform with lower market share. You know why? Because we are paying just as much as Windows users are paying. We are not being given a gift.

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Quoting: lqe5433Proton is too good. It's killing the Linux porting business.

Let's face it: While Linux gaming is in better shape than it has ever been in the history of the operating system, we're still an almost negligible sliver of the market.

We are, and we could forgive (or ignore) 2K if they didn't notice us at all. But they hired Aspyr to port this to Linux and Mac, and after advertising it for "all platforms," they didn't release it on those two and actually broke the base game in the process. I honestly couldn't care less about this DLC, but I wanted to continue playing the stuff I already bought, which was working until they broke it.

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Aspyr Media, who ported it to Linux, still haven't even gotten Borderlands 2 and The Pre-Sequel updated on Linux since the last update almost a whole year ago.

I chose not to buy Civ 6 specifically because of that. They made it clear with that that they weren't interested in actually supporting their Linux releases. If Feral had ported it instead I'd have bought it.

This is one of the big reasons I haven't picked it up either, and the fact that it also doesn't really work in Proton either.

It doesn't work *at all* in Proton for me. I've tried all the workarounds recommended on ProtonDB and I still can't even get to the main menu.

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Quoting: Lycurgus87I bough Gathering Storm at a full price, because I thought wow these guys give a shit about linux.
Turns out they don't, they don't even give us a release date and honestly it's not that hard.
So tell me if this shit show gets on the sale 60% minimum. This is how to loose a long time civ fun.

Until that I go buy Space Haven instead and a few more because I can.
And Firaxis and Aspyr can kiss my pinguin ass. :><:

I bought the base game at a very deep discount back before I switched to Linux. I recently bought the first two DLCs on sale mainly so I could get credit for buying them on Linux. Still pissed, because I play this with friends who are on Windows and now I can't, and I'm guessing at this point it'll be months before it works again.

These guys can eat shit as far as I'm concerned. I'm not saying I won't buy an Aspyr port again, but I damned sure won't buy one I intend to play with other people.

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Quoting: BielFPsBut if I check, Steam will hide games which are not flagged as Linux compatible right? If not then I'll change in my profile ASAP

I have it checked and it shows me a lot of games that do not officially support Linux. I think the theory at this point is, with Proton, any game is a Linux game if you really believe.

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So, do we actually know the rules now? Let's say I buy a Windows-only game on a Linux machine, but I don't install or play it for a few weeks. Is it counted as a Linux sale, or does it default to Windows?

I'm asking because I accidentally did this with Divinity: Original Sin 2. I mean, I didn't accidentally buy it, but I accidentally didn't install it soon enough. Life gets in the way.

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Combat looks interesting. I'm not so sure about the exploration... hopefully there's more to it than what the trailer indicates.

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