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Quoting: mylka

Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoIs almost 50% more of the Feral port performance... They should update their port to vulkan.

it doesnt make any sense. it costs money and i dont think they sell a lot of copies
besides, hardware is better now and i think you can play TR with a mid range PC on ultra

Besides the performance being terrible on TR2013, it also does not look nearly as nice, there seems to be lots of missing shader effects. The console versions look a lot better. If they don't want to bring it to vulkan, then they can't complain when people use proton instead, for the improved performance and visuals.

do they complain?
i think proton ist another reason, why vulkan support is a waste of time and money, because IF they sell this game, then in a steam sale for 4€ (30% steam, or a little less)
VULKAN costes more, than they would earn i think, so better invest time and money in newer titles

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Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoIs almost 50% more of the Feral port performance... They should update their port to vulkan.

it doesnt make any sense. it costs money and i dont think they sell a lot of copies
besides, hardware is better now and i think you can play TR with a mid range PC on ultra

Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoI tried Life is Strange and there isn't much difference with the Feral port because is a DX9 game...
Maybe VK9 project can improve the performance.

does FPS really matter in this game?
i mean all DX9 games should run quite well on PCs today

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Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoI can't figure how to run the benchmark.

google says: There's an application in your Metro 2033 Steam folder called "metro2033benchmark.exe"

try this. "add non-steam game" and use the benchmark file

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/ahpbmr/how_to_install_any_windows_exe_with_steam_guild/ [External Link]

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Quoting: jarhead_h

Quoting: mylka

Quoting: jarhead_h

Quoting: mylkathats an eye opener
i hope VULKAN will have its breakthrough with PS5

I don't see how Sony decides on anything else. They may stick with some flavor of BSD for the OS, but they are going to pick Vulkan. And that means that AAA ports to PC will be the Playstation versions. Eventually Microsoft will be the only company still producing PC games that are DirectX only, and several will drop it entirely because there is simply no need for it. Make one version for the Playstation and it ports considerably easier to everything except the Xbox.

and apple.
i dont think its up to sony, because they dont care if games come to pc, etc.
but developers would have switch, windows and android covered, so they have to demand vulkan on SP5

I'm sorry, I did not mean to suggest that Sony would be magnanimous in this regard, simply that Vulkan is the clear performance winner between it and OpenGL, which means AMD will push it and Sony will agree. .

thats what i think and its logical, but big companies sometimes make weird decisions. maybe sony changes some things in vulkan and make it closed source, like apple did with BSD/macos

i am not to enthusiastic until we know it for sure

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: mylka

Quoting: Guesti bet tomb raider 2013 and rise of the tomb raider will run even better now gonna have to test this

rise of the tr has VULKAN and runs pretty good. i dont think, that it runs better with an extra DXVK layer. but maybe someone give it a shot and makes a NATIVE / PROTON comparison video. same with HITMAN

i definitely try METRO. the linux ports rly suck and have less options, than on windows
since there is no WAR THUNDER VULKAN update i think the Win version also could run better now (depends on anti cheat)

and i may can finally play DEAD ISLAND on linux
i complained a few days ago and hoped for forcing steamplay on native ports
and for some reasons 12 is better than 6 and iron snout wont work for me

but first i have to finish some games and make free space

yea ill be doing hitman i have that and rise of the tomb raider

no need for rise of the tomb raider
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt2bYfb27Qo [External Link]

feral port is better

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Quoting: GuestThose who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

but they also talk about linux desktop. yes, PC market is shrinking (but still much much bigger than 30yrs ago), because everyone has a PC at home and/or have other devices

the last quote is also not correct. who said, that nobody learned from history?
the concept of challenging windows isnt a bad idea and again the circumstances TODAY are totally different, so you cant just compare it

if you wanna quote something then it better be: “If you try, you might fail,
But if you don't try, you'll never succeed.”

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: mylkadevelopers dont have to recognize linux as a platform! GAMERS HAVE!
as i said: first market share, then developers

Exactly what IBM thought back in the day, and that move was the end of Big Blue on personal computing space for good.
You seem to dismiss developers' impact on a platform... you are probably too young to remember the "developers, developers, developers" chant from Ballmer back in 2000 too. It was cringy and meme-worthy, but he was right.

Quoting: mylkawhat do you think? what would be the alternative?

As Linus himself said [External Link], probably something akin to Chromebooks and Android, but sorry I don't have the definitive answer to that question.

i still think you cant compare now and then.
the fact that we can talk over the internet changes so many factors

maybe it wasnt the time for another OS back then. very few ppl had a PC and they were happy with what they had, software was hard to get, a lack of information about new software

today everyone has internet, everyone can download linux in no time, PCs are very cheap and everybody has one or more, even mainstream talks about linux

just look at all the software for linux. even fucking MICROSOFT skype has a linux client.... not just 1..... 3!!!!! DEB, RPM and SNAP

it is just not the same

i just dont think, that linux ports will die, because some developers have passion and they want to improve themselves
just look at DOOM2016. ID software ported the game to linux for fun (who knows why it wasnt released)
and i am pretty sure a lot of indie games will still get a port even if they dont need one because of proton

after 6 years valve tries another strategy and i think it is a good one. and again: you cant compare it with something decades ago

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Quoting: Thetargos

Quoting: mylkawhat do you think? what would be the alternative?

WaaS*, that's what... plus soon-ish gaming will move to the cloud, so you will only rent access, and own nothing... though that could be said is true already with digital distribution and always on-line DRM (not only digital distribution), albeit without a periodic fee. So your "client" device won't matter if it's a PC, Chromebook, phone, tablet, Switch, XBOX or PSX.

*Windows as a Service. Plus, as ironic as it sounds, there are already projects and efforts to implement past MS APIs on top of modern Windows (Wine for Windows, if you will) in order to run older software... so...

thats not an alternative. if you think streaming is the future, it makes everything else unimportant and it doesnt matter if we have native or proton or anything

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: mylka

Quoting: GuestProton is gonna be the end of native ports and companies like Feral. It will also confirm Windows as the only "true" gaming os on personal computers. Really sad.

even if its true, whats the problem with that?

You are probably too young to remember, but there was a time when a company called IBM tried the same exact strategy to compete against MS's operating system(s) with its OS/2 operating system: one of their "strong" points was near-perfect compatibility with DOS and Windows 3.x... I don't think I need to point out how that worked out for them: developers never joined the OS/2 train and kept developing for MS-DOS and Windows, giving users no incentives at all to switch. The users simply thought "why should I use a compatibility layer and have to put up with any nuisances, albeit minor, if I can have the real thing"? And this is more relevant than ever when applied to entertainment software in my opinion...
In the short run Proton is getting us more games, but in the long run it is encouraging developers to not even recognize Linux as a platform: they will keep writing software for Windows, they will still not support Linux, and they will have one less reason to even consider developing their games with a multiplatform focus from the start.

back then there was no internet. you havent update your OS at all. an OS couldnt phone home, or install crap you dont want by itself
developers dont have to recognize linux as a platform! GAMERS HAVE!
as i said: first market share, then developers

if i get you right you think, that developers stop supporting linux and valve stops proton and we have nothing?
there alway be wine and DXVK

what do you think? what would be the alternative?

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Quoting: jarhead_h

Quoting: mylkathats an eye opener
i hope VULKAN will have its breakthrough with PS5

I don't see how Sony decides on anything else. They may stick with some flavor of BSD for the OS, but they are going to pick Vulkan. And that means that AAA ports to PC will be the Playstation versions. Eventually Microsoft will be the only company still producing PC games that are DirectX only, and several will drop it entirely because there is simply no need for it. Make one version for the Playstation and it ports considerably easier to everything except the Xbox.

and apple.
i dont think its up to sony, because they dont care if games come to pc, etc.
but developers would have switch, windows and android covered, so they have to demand vulkan on SP5

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