That's not perfect, but much better.

I think they should try to team up with devs of other distros like Mint and so on. Then they can do the work together and support all i386 libs until a good working container (or whatever) solution is found.

May that not be enough, they could do some crowdfunding or so, to buy ressources do to help doing the job.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: einherjarThanks Canonical :><:

Now we will have lots of game devs and publishers saying:
"See, there is no reliable Distro in the Linux world. It doesn't make sense to ship software for Linux"

No doubt we will. But they will be fools to do so. Look, Microsoft and Apple make stupid decisions all the time. When they do, just exactly what can you do about it? Can you switch to a different Windows or Mac OS distro?
This is a time to celebrate the fact that Linux distros are not monopolies.

Like it or not, but with that small userbase it is also a disadvantage.
Developers and Companys like Adobe will be held away from bringing their software to Linux.
They want one reliable OS --> MS gives it to them.

We need a big popular and reliable Distro, to have enough marketshare and live the "diversity". With 1% marketshare distributed across more then 10 Distros, we will remain irrelevant (on Desktop) for most of the companies.

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Quoting: Para-Gliding

Quoting: Lycurgus87Proton: Mordhau, [...]

Mordhau is the new goodie, its awesome I really enjoy it. Many ppl crying about it, but it is fun and a chill experience for me, mainly because really not matter you win or loose, you can have tons of fun (as soon as you learned how to not die instantly) and I think servers now are fixed so you get decent latency.

as a great fan of Chivalery:MW (specially with black knigth mod), i would try it. Does it run nice without tricks in proton?

Absolutely. My son and I just clicked Install --> Play --Y Have Fun :-)

We are both on Ubuntu with Kubuntu Desktop install and on NVidia.

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Last week I finished The Witcher 2 and now I have installed The Witcher 3.

But I started Stellaris again yesterday (and it's now 64 Bit *cough, cough*) and I will play Mordhau with my son today.

So I will play Mordhau and Stellaris or TW3.

Bu I should not start Stellaris AND TW3 - I have a job :P

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Quoting: einherjarShould they work for me for free? Why?

Miss the point much? I'm not talking about getting stuff for free; it's the oddity of the fact that the subscription model comes to mind as the first example for 'supported software', and for an operating system no less.

Hmm, I understood the OP in the way, that this is an optional thing. You can pay if you want to support.
Perhaps I understood that wrong. But I did not mean a "forced" but a "if you like to support us" payment.

So I would give them money. A "supporter" Pack, that you can buy as often as you like could also be a good idea.
If you are pleased and you can effort --> you can support.

I agree with you, that it should never be mandatory to pay in this way.

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Quoting: wvstolzing

Quoting: gradyvuckovic

Quoting: keanI would even pay for it if everything works well.

I'd happily sign up to that, $10/month for a Valve developed Linux OS which provides the best possible gaming experience for Linux? Hell yes, give me that.

Kinda off-topic but I'm somewhat terrified that the idea of a 'subscription model' OS comes so naturally to people nowadays.

It is a lot of hard work, to maintain an OS/Distro. I get payed for my work and so it is no problem for me, to pay for the work of others.
I donated to Canonical for every new Version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu I used.
Should they work for me for free? Why?

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Quoting: iiari

Quoting: NezchanI seriously don't want to be pressured into changing distros, so this is a tragedy for me from both sides. I've been using Ubuntu-MATE for years and I'm very comfortable with it, so this feels in a way like being evicted from my home. It's not pleasant to say the least.

Then write to Ubuntu, as the rest of you who are on Ubuntu and don't want to forced off the distro should do...

I did that in the Discussions under the Link Liam provided.
I did it in a polite way (I even thanked them for the good work in the past).
An Admin deleted my post and set my Account on hold. --> That's how they care for the opinions of their users.

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Quoting: Coolit

Quoting: MicromegasInteresting twitter replies right now from OpenSUSE Chairman Richard Brown to Pierre-Loup Griffais from Valve, pitching a cooperation between Valve and OpenSUSE.

https://mobile.twitter.com/sysrich/status/1142363021605580801 [External Link]

This would be full circle for me as Suse was my first foray into Linux 20yrs ago :)

Mine too. I started with Suse Linux 6.0 when I remember right. Then I was very long on Suse and switched to Ubuntu about 2 yeas ago.
I did it, because most things (inluding Steam, Spotify, etc) just worked very well out of the box.
And here is the problem. openSUSE is not well known nor widely spread. And Canonical even pisses on the Manufacturers who brought Ubuntu on their machines (e.g. Dell).

So even if openSUSE would be a good choice, it is really sad and much harm to Linux is already done. It will last years, to get that ok again - if it will be ok again.

In the past lots of people gave Linux several chances. May it be according to Steam machines or other Linux hypes through computer magazines. But if you give something a try with more than one failure, it is done for you.

The people at MS surely laugh so much, that they are rolling on the floors of their offices.

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Quoting: ixnariWhat a mess this is turning out to be. First we had Wine devs considering dropping support and now Valve. At least in terms of Linux gaming, Steam and Wine are one of the more important and widely use programs. Not having support for them would be a huge blow to Canonical. Here's hoping they extract their head out of their ass soon and reconsider this move. Though, being so close to feature freeze for Ubuntu's next release, I'm not holding my breath.

Perhaps the partnership with MS is better for there financial situation, then supporting non-paying users?

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Thanks Canonical :><:

Now we will have lots of game devs and publishers saying:
"See, there is no reliable Distro in the Linux world. It doesn't make sense to ship software for Linux"

And lots of Linux interested Windows 7 users will learn:
"You have a lot of hassle on Linux and you have to choose a new distro again and again. And uuuuuuhhhh in the forums I get like 10 distros named, that I could use. Man, this is complicated, I install Win10 and then I am done"

And it will be much harder for Gaben, to not end the "Linux experiment".

And the shit is, they are right.

So there is only two explanations coming to my mind:

1. MS encourages/pays them for that disaster
2. They are arrogant and dumb as hell and have no idea, how to treat their users and partners (like Valve)

What a big pile of shit and that after all the good things happening in the last time.

Thanks valve, that you don't end your Linux support.

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