Quoting: Guest

Quoting: jardon

Quoting: GuestThat mirv guy was told to get his eyes checked for not agreeing. I didn't see it as a joke and asked it to be dropped. It was not.

No, I'm being told my opinion is wrong, without being told why. I suspected a case of "because Valve", and planted a few words to check....and it seems that way in some cases.
But not others. There have been a couple replies of normality, some reasons I hadn't considered. Might I highlight them?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? I'm not going to say that others havent reacted poorly. I'm not gonna argue that others arent in the wrong too. But let me just play out the scenario for you.

mirv: why not use wine?
others: **reasons**
mir: why not use wine?
others: **reasons**
mir: why not use wine?
others: why are you being like this?? (plus some less than favorable responses)
mir: why are you saying im wrong?

Arent you pretty much saying that others opinions are wrong by ignoring their points? People have said plenty of times that it being built in to steam is easier for them and for many many people. I, like many others, hate touching wine. Good for you in that you mastered it. Your responses (or lack thereof) clearly aren't encouraging civil discussions.

Everyone (including myself), lets take a step back and try to learn and become better members of the community to try to mitigate further encounters like this.

Sorry, but I didn't see many giving actual reasons. Some gave "reasons" of something that was already possible, in my experience, which was why I asked: why be excited when it could already be done? TheDaftRick pointed out much I hadn't thought of, and liamdawe had a couple things too.
I've not mastered wine. Vanilla, latest release, and sometimes I try git. I would like to know why I'm ok with it (technically speaking), while others might not be - or maybe they're getting something extra from "Proton" that I'm not seeing. Which are the main reasons why I ask.

i think that in most cases (and in mine specifically) its just a hassle. most people come from windows or mac and just want to click and install things. and while ive been using linux for quite a while, sometimes having to learn all new systems just to use simple programs is just exhausting. there are times where im totally down for putting in the effort to learn something new and tinker, but even i just feel like having everything just work sometimes. while you may have streamlined youre setup and configurations for wine, most of us havent and would have to invest a significant amount of time to get to where you are.

That being said. Thanks for responding to TheDaftRick. I know we can all be a pain to deal with sometimes. I've gotten in my fair share of arguments with some of the people here. Lets all keep working on respecting each other and putting our pride aside. Cheers mate

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Quoting: GuestThat mirv guy was told to get his eyes checked for not agreeing. I didn't see it as a joke and asked it to be dropped. It was not.

No, I'm being told my opinion is wrong, without being told why. I suspected a case of "because Valve", and planted a few words to check....and it seems that way in some cases.
But not others. There have been a couple replies of normality, some reasons I hadn't considered. Might I highlight them?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? I'm not going to say that others havent reacted poorly. I'm not gonna argue that others arent in the wrong too. But let me just play out the scenario for you.

mirv: why not use wine?
others: **reasons**
mir: why not use wine?
others: **reasons**
mir: why not use wine?
others: why are you being like this?? (plus some less than favorable responses)
mir: why are you saying im wrong?

Arent you pretty much saying that others opinions are wrong by ignoring their points? People have said plenty of times that it being built in to steam is easier for them and for many many people. I, like many others, hate touching wine. Good for you in that you mastered it. Your responses (or lack thereof) clearly aren't encouraging civil discussions.

Everyone (including myself), lets take a step back and try to learn and become better members of the community to try to mitigate further encounters like this.

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Quoting: sbolokanovCome on, guys. You can calm down now…

I mean I understand what youre saying but when you ask a question and you just ignore the answers youve been given and just keep asking the same thing, its just kind of disrespectful. You cant dismiss peoples points of view and then demand people to respect your point of view. It comes across like youre saying that others opinions are invalid which is the same thing youre arguing just from the other side.

Its completely ok to have differing opinions but it doesnt appear that mirv guy was actually trying to have a discussion. And ya sure, Windows would solve a lot of our gaming problems but it would in turn introduce other problems. Trading problems for other problems solves no problems.

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Quoting: PatolaSorry, but from my point of view, you're just being stubborn and refusing to accept facts.

Ya he's literally asking a question and just ignoring the answers hes getting just to reask. At this point I think he's just stroking his own ego by trying to make us look dumb for not wanting to deal with wine.

But tbh people that use wine for steam games (the exception being games that dont work in proton) are only hurting linux gaming. Use proton. Count in sales. We cant sit here and complain about not having number on Linux when we ourselves arent contributing to the numbers.

Disclaimer: If you use GOG or whatever the above statements dont apply to you.

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Quoting: Salvatos

Reworked global Steam Play enable settings to only override the Proton version used by unsupported games

What do they mean by that? You can't override the Proton version for a whitelisted game?

I think it means that if a game gets whitelisted at 3.16-3 for example, the global override won't effect the whitelisted titles. So you can override all of the other ones but the whitelisted ones will be frozen at the version that they are known to be working.

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Quoting: kuhpunktBut your argument is about an operating system that is literally free. Selling hardware for that... what's the incentive here? I already got a good computer. Many other people do. And they don't need to buy a new one just to use Linux.

I think you underestimate the power of preloaded software. You wanna know one of the main reasons Linux desktop marketshare sucks? You can't really buy it on anything. You pretty much have to install it yourself unless you wanna pay a premium for something like a system76 machine. You need to have the off of the shelf experience. That is the incentive.

But when it comes to the exclusivity I was talking about, no, I do not believe that means you lock everyone out nor did I imply that in any way. I wasnt even talking about exclusivity to a specific box. That wouldn't be an effective strategy at all. You'd just make everyone mad. Clearly I mean't exclusivity to the Linux platform that the preconfigured hardware would run. I mean steam supports multiple platforms so clearly I meant platform exclusivity. Clearly.

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Quoting: kuhpunktWhat would be the point of that?

I think its pretty obvious. If Linux wants ANY meaningful marketshare then there needs to be an affordable, marketable item that can be bought by grandmas at Walmart for their grandkids. Otherwise the future of Linux marketshare would closely resemble someone trying to collect pennies in order to buy a supercar.

Coming in as a VR console would be interesting. I personally dont believe that VR is the future, but gimmicks sell. You would need to time the market well though. If your console was $1000 then youre dead in the water. You would NEED to hit the $400 price point for the base system and offer an affordable VR package thats no more than $400. Valve could do this, but they would have to risk a loss in subsidizing hardware.

I'll say it again Valve:

1. Subsidize hardware
2. Prepare exclusives
3. E3 DAMMIT

I know that they have been against exclusives fundamentally, and I commend them for their principles, but man are we gonna have to chug along for the next 10 years before anything substantial happens. Here's to hoping for some kind of breakthough!

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Quoting: stretch611I saw a comment the other day about a dev that saw 11% of his sales attributed to linux.... It would be nice if devs realize that supporting linux didn't just get them 1% of sales, but actually a little more.

I've been saying this for an eternity. Just because we are sub 1% total marketshare doesnt mean we have to be sub 1% sales as well. BUY! BUY! BUY! Its really not about marketshare; its more about sales. If a dev feels like they can make money off of investing in other platforms they typically will do it. Thats why I always encourage linux users to spend money (even on proton games although people hate me for that opinion). With the somewhere north of one million steam linux users out there, for many games linux users could make up a large percentage of sales.

With as much as we save with not worrying about windows licensing, we should be able to buy even more games ;)

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Quoting: jardon

Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: ajgpCan you buy booster packs with any sort of ingame currency earned from playing?

No, but you can win them by playing games with "event tickets". And you can also win back your event ticket with those. So if you're really good you can have an endless supply, if you're really bad you get nothing. Or somewhere in between of course.

Sounds a lot like MtG Arena, except that Arena at least allows you to purchase booster packs with earnable in-game currency.

Ya but MTG arena has its own problems. Ever heard of the fifth card problem? In arena if you have most of the cards and you spend money buying packs you're pretty much just throwing money away.

That's what the wildcards are for.
Getting a card that you already have four of will instead grant you a wildcard of the same rarity, which can be exchanged for ANY card of that rarity.

And in addition to that, you also get some "wildcard progress" for opening booster packs, giving you some wildcards on its own.

It is a pretty good system.

It's really not though. You should watch Seth's video on it from MTGgoldfish. Supposedly they're supposed to fix it but it probably won't get fixed until the new set that comes out in a couple months.

Edit: Link to video mentioned above https://youtu.be/KGPkw2aEUQI [External Link]

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Quoting: Rutine

Quoting: jardonHas anyone had any issues with the video freezing when streaming a proton game from a Linux host to another device? Audio and input continue to work but the video steam freezes when focused on some proton games.

I opened a ticket with valve but was curious if any of you had that issue. Its a shame cause it makes my steam link far less useful.

The two Proton games I tested and streamed (Warlock Master of the Arcane and Orcs Must Die) both worked and streamed fine. With what games did you have this issue?

Here are a few examples:

• The Witcher 3


• Dark Souls 3


• Stick Fight

Heres the link of the Github issue for more details: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/5831 [External Link]

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