Quoting: elmapuldead on arrival.
0)any one trust valve to make an game console again after the steam machines flop? anyone would trust then with your money?
1)the market for this type of thing is already flooded, gpd win etc.

Steam Machines were a "flop" because there was barely a market for it.

Also, the market is hardly flooded.

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Quoting: rustybroomhandleSucks how often these launchers break Proton compatibility when the games themselves work fine. Most recent example is Mass Effect Legendary Edition.

One reason why I don't buy/play most EA games and like no Ubisoft stuff at all.

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Quoting: kuhpunktWhat extra 30%?!

Read article top to bottom. They loose some money because obviously they can't charge too much more, so generally devs take a slight hit in the profits in order to be competitive with other games of similar type.

But you said extra 30%, not "some money."

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Quoting: TheRiddickI kind of get why Tarkov devs are selling on their own website atm, at least while in development. They need that extra %30 and if it was on steam the game would cost a fair bit more which isn't fair to the player base.

What extra 30%?!

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Quoting: lelorrainIt works only one way with Steam. A good example is the large discount Steam offered recently on "Horizon Zero Dawn", but it was NOT discounted on GOG, still at the initial Cdn$60 which was the same as on Steam ... :sad:

BTW, I have both versions, since I prefer the no-DRM, no-background APP of GOG!

Nobody is telling the publisher to not put HZD on sale on gog...

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Quoting: GuestWelcome to the world of manipulative language.
Most of the lawsuit is, in my opinion, full of it. But the price parity for places where there are no steam keys involved, is possibly quite serious, so it pays to be extra explicit about it.

What manipulative language?

The blog post is about price parity and that he claims that Valve would kick him off Steam if he would sell the game at another place for less money.

Chet said that this isn't true and that a clause, that would forbid it, doesn't exist in the agreement.

Both of you. Stop - read the post I made on the previous page that actually contains the relevant text from the Steam agreement.

Yes, but that applies only to the keys - not for example selling the game for $30 on Steam and $20 on the Epic Store. That's what he complains about.

I have yet to find anything in the documentation about that. Still reading though, there's a LOT of it.

I'd be very interested in the contents, but it's probably best to say if you have/haven't found something relevant, and not post any contents. I'd assume it's NDA'd somehow, or it'd be readily available online already. In other words, don't get yourself in trouble.

But anyway, I'm just saying that people shouldn't discount everything because Valve paid money to some FOSS projects, but rather remember that Valve isn't doing anything for altruistic purposes. Doesn't mean price parity as stated in the lawsuit is true, doesn't mean it's not.

But you talked about manipulative language. What was manipulative language? What was the main point of the blog post?

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Quoting: GuestWelcome to the world of manipulative language.
Most of the lawsuit is, in my opinion, full of it. But the price parity for places where there are no steam keys involved, is possibly quite serious, so it pays to be extra explicit about it.

What manipulative language?

The blog post is about price parity and that he claims that Valve would kick him off Steam if he would sell the game at another place for less money.

Chet said that this isn't true and that a clause, that would forbid it, doesn't exist in the agreement.

Both of you. Stop - read the post I made on the previous page that actually contains the relevant text from the Steam agreement.

Yes, but that applies only to the keys - not for example selling the game for $30 on Steam and $20 on the Epic Store. That's what he complains about.

I have yet to find anything in the documentation about that. Still reading though, there's a LOT of it.

I don't think you will find anything. This claim has been made before by others in other lawsuits, but we never got any evidence that such a clause exists.

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Quoting: rustybroomhandle

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: GuestWelcome to the world of manipulative language.
Most of the lawsuit is, in my opinion, full of it. But the price parity for places where there are no steam keys involved, is possibly quite serious, so it pays to be extra explicit about it.

What manipulative language?

The blog post is about price parity and that he claims that Valve would kick him off Steam if he would sell the game at another place for less money.

Chet said that this isn't true and that a clause, that would forbid it, doesn't exist in the agreement.

Both of you. Stop - read the post I made on the previous page that actually contains the relevant text from the Steam agreement.

Yes, but that applies only to the keys - not for example selling the game for $30 on Steam and $20 on the Epic Store. That's what he complains about.

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Quoting: GuestWelcome to the world of manipulative language.
Most of the lawsuit is, in my opinion, full of it. But the price parity for places where there are no steam keys involved, is possibly quite serious, so it pays to be extra explicit about it.

What manipulative language?

The blog post is about price parity and that he claims that Valve would kick him off Steam if he would sell the game at another place for less money.

Chet said that this isn't true and that a clause, that would forbid it, doesn't exist in the agreement.

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Quoting: GuestAgree or not with Valve's price parity clause (disclaimer: I don't agree with that) but at least look at it on its own merits.

If there even is one...

Have you read the lawsuit?

And this topic is about a blog post of someone who is in a position to know if there is this clause or not. He's seen the clauses.

Unless you're calling him a liar. In which case I'd say that David Rosen has far more credibility than you do.

And I have quoted Chet Faliszek (ex-Valve employee), who said that such a clause doesn't exist.

Great. Show me the quote.

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/david-rosen-of-wolfire-games-explains-why-theyre-taking-on-valve-in-a-lawsuit/comment_id=202951

Yeah....that doesn't say what you think it says. Someone is asking explicitly about price parity and there is, at the time of writing, no response to that.

If that's not the main point, what is?

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