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Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: GuestAgree or not with Valve's price parity clause (disclaimer: I don't agree with that) but at least look at it on its own merits.

If there even is one...

Have you read the lawsuit?

And this topic is about a blog post of someone who is in a position to know if there is this clause or not. He's seen the clauses.

Unless you're calling him a liar. In which case I'd say that David Rosen has far more credibility than you do.

And I have quoted Chet Faliszek (ex-Valve employee), who said that such a clause doesn't exist.

Great. Show me the quote.

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: GuestAgree or not with Valve's price parity clause (disclaimer: I don't agree with that) but at least look at it on its own merits.

If there even is one...

Have you read the lawsuit?

And this topic is about a blog post of someone who is in a position to know if there is this clause or not. He's seen the clauses.

Unless you're calling him a liar. In which case I'd say that David Rosen has far more credibility than you do.

Quoting: GuestAgree or not with Valve's price parity clause (disclaimer: I don't agree with that) but at least look at it on its own merits.

Quoting: pbI remember buying the first Humble Indie Bundle and playing all the games, and when I got to Lugaru (which I knew came from the initiators of HIB) I thought "wow, these guys just piggybacked on their fellow indie developers' actual games to push this hot piece of unfinished game / tech demo out of the door". And now I read that their $30 game that was supposed to be an actually-finished Lugaru is still unfinished after all these years (I have it from some bundle but after bad experience with Lugaru I haven't touched it). And they are suing Valve over wanting a fair treatment by their business partner... The entitlement just drips form that guy... :huh:

Quoting: rustybroomhandleAnyhoo, much like the Apple/Epic thing I think the only good thing that will come out of this is that a bunch of previously secret info/documents will now become public. Always nice to know more.

Also, I have bought Steam keys cheaper than Steam on other stores before (Indiegala, Humble). Not sure how much Valve enforces the price parity rule. They could probably just concede and lose nothing.

Example: You can buy a boxed version of Prey from Amazon that comes with a Steam key for $20 (new, not used), which is definitely cheaper than on Steam. I can't see the dollar prices, but even with regional pricing, the Amazon one is cheaper.

His blog post reads like something you see posted on his forum based on something he heard his older brother talking about. His main point is false today.

I am not going to make a conjecture of what he was told 10 years ago etc but you can see the proof online today this isn't true and it's not captured in the agreement so...

Do you know how many games ship on steam? In 4 years it’s sold ~50,000 copies and you honestly think they changed policy because they were worried about that extra overgrowth money?

Policies are not one offs and this is not captured in the agreements so…

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Quoting: TheRiddickYeah %30 is pretty high for a DIGITAL GOODs based store. Who knows if Valve will change this policy. It does hurt indie devs the most who can't achieve high sales numbers to get discounted 'valve tax rate'.

Why is it always "this is against Indies"? Valheim is a small indie title and sold bonkers numbers. Avengers is a AAA blockbuster with a HUGE name behind it (the biggest running movie franchise!) and it bombed hard.

Valve wants to sell games. Why should they make a difference between AAA and Indie? Money is money.

That is a bullshit argument and absolutely does not look at the sales that Avengers still made given it's massive marketing and budget. It made 100x what most indie games will ever hope to achieve. Avengers failed based on the expected goals and what they spent on development and promotion, but it still made a ton of cash regardless. It just didn't make what everyone expected.

Among the hires is Corey May, former head of creative services and publishing at Google Stadia, and former Stadia general manager Sebastien Puel, who is also a co-founder of Haven Studios.

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Quoting: Guestwow everyone here is an expert at games development and marketing!1!

So if I'm decoding the sarcasm correctly, what you're saying is we should all shut up because we're not technocrats. Our overlords the corporate executives know what's best for us, after all.

No answer?

Wut?

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Guestwow everyone here is an expert at games development and marketing!1!

So if I'm decoding the sarcasm correctly, what you're saying is we should all shut up because we're not technocrats. Our overlords the corporate executives know what's best for us, after all.