Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: F.UltraTook me until I read the actual filing to realise that the 5 plaintiffs where all gamers, I for some reason thought that they where game developers.

Are you sure about this? That does make the whole thing indeed sound incredibly weird.

Yes, it's always on the very first page. Those are just five random people. The whole lawsuit is "Epic is better, Steam is bad."

Here's the lawyer that wrote this suit...

https://www.vorys.com/mccormick [External Link]

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Quoting: pbProbably they realised that exclusives will never pull as many people as hit games from other studios. Like Cyberpunk 2077.

Nintendo?

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Quoting: Liam DaweSorry but you're clearly not objective about any of this.

Pointing out simple objective mistakes/false claims in the lawsuit = fanboyism?

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: kuhpunktYou can't break an NDA you didn't sign.

No but it gives Valve an easy reason to ignore me. I'm not about to burn bridges, don't try to get me to.
Anyway, since there's some rampant fanboyism going on, I shall not be replying further personally on this one.

I'm not trying to get to you. It's just about being objective here. That's not fanboyism.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: randylThe agreement does not state as such. Did you do some digging to find out what the agreement is or did you assume it's all private? You source the Hollywood Reporter which doesn't actually do good diligent investigative journalism and find out what the contract says. The lawsuit makes claims it hasn't substantiated and won't until it goes to court. The wording, at the very least, can be misleading, if not outright false.

Even if I knew, I couldn't say in public for certain, because the agreements are confidential. It's under an NDA last I checked.

You can't break an NDA you didn't sign.

And Sweeney already talked about it publicly.

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Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: TheSHEEEPCustomers get screwed

... Or the opposite - that it ensures that Steam users are getting a lower price than they would if not.
I mean, it could easily go both ways, that devs would be adding the Valve cut on Steam (40% isn't it?), while operating with a different price elsewhere.

It's 20-30%, depending on the revenue that's been generated.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPwhich I still think is unlikely because why make an entirely baseless claim to waste your time and money (lawyers, etc.) with?

https://heelbynature.com/wrestling-news/wwe-news/judge-dismisses-frivolous-lawsuit-against-wwe-filed-by-fan/ [External Link]

And again, there are flaws in the lawsuit, like the Microsoft Store claim, which is just wrong. If they can't even get something as simple as this right...?

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Quoting: ZlopezThey are saying that you can't have different prices on different platforms. So they actually dictate the price you need to have elsewhere. So if you have a game on Steam and GOG and there is GOG sale going on, you need to lower price on Steam too.

They don't.

A game dev can sell their game anywhere, at any price they want. No skin off Valve's nose.

If a game dev sells Steam keys (which Valve generates for free, just for the asking) through a store that isn't Steam, at a lower price than they sell them on Steam, then they also need to sell them on Steam at that price at some point. So, as an example, a lot of the games sold in the recent Humble sale were distributed as Steam keys at a lower price than they were going for on Steam; those prices then got lowered on Steam itself once Humble's sale was over.

It's not even really dependent on sales. If you have that Humble subscription, you always get 20% off. Beat Saber has never been on sale on Steam. They only increased the price when they left Early Access. It's $30. On the Humble Store it's being sold for $24, undermining the Steam price.

So Valve doesn't even enforce that.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: kuhpunktLiam linked the Tweet from Sweeney (which is what the lawsuit refers to, not the contract!) and people called him out already back in 2019.

The lawsuit does not only link to that, as is made clear from the article it is talking about the Steam agreement. The Tweet was just mentioned as an example of it.

Without citing the contract and while making other false claims. So much of the lawsuit is about the 30% share and how Epic is so much better - which is not the point of the lawsuit at all.

You're making a bunch of baseless claims. The lawsuit clearly talks about the Steam agreement and MFN, as quoted in the article. They can't link directly to the agreement, as Valve (like most companies) keep their actual agreements private. This is basic business stuff.

How is my claim baseless? People jump on Valve here and judge them without knowing if this is even true! That's baseless.

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Quoting: MohandevirReally not sure about this one... Nothing forces them to sell on Steam, anyway.

I disagree with this. If you want to hit a bigger audience you need to be on Steam, because it's a #1 platform for most of PC gamers.

Also the EPIC has it's own flaws, like exclusive titles or forcing the devs to drop Linux support for the games if they want to publish on EPIC. (Phoenix Point as an example or their own Unreal Tournament)

I'm using Steam because of what is Valve doing for the Linux community, but there are plenty of things I don't like about the Steam, like vendor lock-in or some of the ethical problems like this one. Next time I will look for something, I will first check the GOG, with minigalaxy it's really easy to manage your games now.

How is this en ethical problem? They don't dictate prices.

They are saying that you can't have different prices on different platforms. So they actually dictate the price you need to have elsewhere. So if you have a game on Steam and GOG and there is GOG sale going on, you need to lower price on Steam too.

There is no evidence that this is true. That's the problem.

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